Re: Delete Posts
Ok, I think I understand. I was thinking that if a request was made by the original poster, then posts would be deleted. In hindsight I really should have asked this before I wrote posts.

I would really appreciate if my posts in the Take action: Australian Poker thread could please be deleted. I no longer believe in a regulated Australian poker environment and I feel responsible for the effects and consequences my posts have/will have, especially because this thread will go on for years.

I understand that it's natural for opinions to change, and that these posts should reflect that, but I genuinely do feel responsible for misleading, misguiding, and persuading others in a belief I now no longer believe in.

Normally if someone has a belief or opinion and they no longer believe in it, it is forgotten or faintly remembered, but here it is has permanance, and it make me feel and seem like a hypocrite or something like that, which I am not; hence my request.

The thread is not that active anymore and I doubt it will be for a while given covid-19, tighter gambling reforms etc. I hope you or and/or the other moderators agree that deleting my posts would be best as the effects and consequences my posts have/could have is something that I genuinely feel responsible for.

I no longer believe in the regulation of poker, and deleting my posts will help put my mind at ease about my responsibility for what would would now be misleading others.

C.P.R

Unfortunately, I am unable to post Mike Haven's response because of forum policy, but he in essence made it clear that he wouldn't delete my posts because:
1. It would require deleting other posts and those users might not want that to happen
2. Deleting multiple posts would ruin the trajectory of the thread discussion

Electronic Gaming Machines are venue based online forms of gambling. Regulating interactive gambling includes electronic gaming machines and the VERY REAL LIFE THREATENING risks that come with that.

Prohibition has always been about restricting [I]Access=Attention=Addiction=Accountability[/I].

Any news?
Been following this thread for a while now, very keen to get back playing.

The short answer is no news yet, the online poker push is basically on hold until the Covid threat is negligible in Aus

Hopefully we get there before the end of the year especially if Vic can get it together and NSW don't do anything else stupid

Ok thanks for the good work, keep it up, keep up the fight

hey guys, has anyone sought professional help on determining whether their deposits and withdrawals to ignition/BCP in bitcoin are considered 'personal use transactions'?

https://www.ato.gov.au/general/gen/t...=2#personaluse

My understanding is that if I withdraw amounts not exceeding 10k from ignition, that those withdrawals and subsequent sales of the bitcoin for aud would be personal use transactions and thus not taxed.

My understanding is that treating it as personal use is fine and there are some steps you can take to make sure this is the case:
- Only transact on the exchange using cryptocurrencies you aren't holding speculatively, for example if you hold BTC then you should withdraw and sell BCH. This will prevent any confusion over whether you were selling for personal use or disposing of an asset
- Immediately sell the crypto after withdrawing. For amounts over $10k you are liable for CGT but this can be avoided by not making any gains.
- Keep records of the transactions involved

Can anyone shed some light on why APL & APT app games can offer prizes to players? Is it somehow in a grey area?

Don't suppose Joey has seen any headway?

I think it is because it is free to play isn't it? Not that I have tried but that is how it is being promoted.

Re: Delete Posts
Ok, I think I understand. I was thinking that if a request was made by the original poster, then posts would be deleted. In hindsight I really should have asked this before I wrote posts.

I would really appreciate if my posts in the Take action: Australian Poker thread could please be deleted. I no longer believe in a regulated Australian poker environment and I feel responsible for the effects and consequences my posts have/will have, especially because this thread will go on for years.

I understand that it's natural for opinions to change, and that these posts should reflect that, but I genuinely do feel responsible for misleading, misguiding, and persuading others in a belief I now no longer believe in.

Normally if someone has a belief or opinion and they no longer believe in it, it is forgotten or faintly remembered, but here it is has permanance, and it make me feel and seem like a hypocrite or something like that, which I am not; hence my request.

The thread is not that active anymore and I doubt it will be for a while given covid-19, tighter gambling reforms etc. I hope you or and/or the other moderators agree that deleting my posts would be best as the effects and consequences my posts have/could have is something that I genuinely feel responsible for.

I no longer believe in the regulation of poker, and deleting my posts will help put my mind at ease about my responsibility for what would would now be misleading others.

C.P.R
Unfortunately, I am unable to post Mike Haven's response because of forum policy, but he in essence made it clear that he wouldn't delete my posts because:
1. It would require deleting other posts and those users might not want that to happen
2. Deleting multiple posts would ruin the trajectory of the thread discussion


They are able to offer prizes because a player is not risking something of value in return for that prize which is also a thing of value. Even though a player is still participating in a gambling game, there's no risk to that player since it is free entry - nothing being staked of value.

Whilst they can't have entry fees, in my opinion, a poker business could offer players to pay a monthly or yearly membership fee to access their online content, which would include freeroll tournaments, funded by those fees, that offer prizes (entries, credit, clothing, trips etc).
**Not the same as regulating poker**

To be honest, you really should be asking yourself "why am I having to pay commision to poker businesses?"

You as a player pay for food, pay for drinks, pay for raffle prizes, pay for gaming, and then these hospitality businesses pay poker businesses for your contribution. Then these poker businesses require you to pay for your own prize minus the commision to them for "hosting". Now think about the money they are pocketing that really could be going towards a guarantee for a weekly event .. and now think about the "major" events that they "host"...$$$ (casinos should be obvious for why they charge commission)

Wouldn't surprise me if these poker businesses started running live freeroll events where x% of players win online qualifying entries. These online qualifiers will have x% of those players win a live event package to some "major event" that was funded by (wait fo it) x% of live event fees that would be held, instead of x% of players weekly contributions being used to fund these prizes.

It's important to support local businesses, Australian businesses but the industry is never going to succeed, especially online, unless everybody in the industry starts supporting players more proactively.

has anyone on here played on wptclub, where you pay monthly subscription?

If so, whats it like, any recommendations of actual money being paid out

I havn't played online poker for ages. Is there any sites that offer poker to Australians? or can anyone message me a way to play poker from Australia?

thanks

There is a thread in Internet Poker forum 'Options For Australian Players'

This has come to fruition now right, so are things off hold?

I'll send Joey a text and ask him to update the thread. Haven't heard from him since my last post here.

FWIW he replied to me and said he'll get an update done as soon as he can

APL looks like it is back now which will make things harder as gamblers will at least have an out there and not to mention the clubs and pubs peak bodies will be lobbying for no change with the money spent on pokies that will bring.

is the star poker room open again?

sydney

Call the casino and ask. Couldnt see anything about it via quick google search.

FWIW APT and WPT League QPC events are scheduled for early 2020 so live scene seems to be on its way back here

Not open. I called them yesterday. They also have no timeline for reopening the poker tables.

Wondering if the aussie millions will be hosted in melb next year. Obviously there are less cases now, but there would be a swathe of overseas players that wouldnt be able to come and make the event profitable for the owners.

ahh ok thanks,

Interesting how the star and the crown will handle poker rooms post covid + two diff states, also new crown opening in bangaroo

Aussie Millions has been postponed from January, saw the announcement a while back

Whether they hold it later in the year or not is TBD, they could easily hold it with Australians only if we stay covid-free, but need time to satellite the 400ish Melbourne players who sat in each year into the Main Event which requires a few months of satellites so the earliest it could be is midyear

That would be sick Aussie only AM

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