Anyone still play on Ignition? What's the risk of my money being confiscated?

Pretty low, they've been around for 20 years now. There's always an inherent risk to playing on unregulated sites though, so the standard advice applies (don't keep a balance you can afford to lose etc).

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Just so we don't lose Joey. Looking forward to the next update.

Guess Joey is still waiting?

Let's be real here without face to face meetings at the moment because of COVID-19, any politician or senior bureaucrat is not about to have time for a video conference or meeting over the phone over this issue. There is so much ample space for the gambling industry to get involved now and carry the weight on this issue with the restrictions of live gambling but they need to lobby first.

Yeah we're not going to be seeing a meeting until after Covid threat is gone if the government was seen prioritising random gambling related stuff in a time of crisis they'd get crucified (yet again it's always a crisis, this government is like 24/7 crisis mode although this is only the second real one after bushfires I guess)

Although Joey when you have a meeting date if you could update the thread that'd be great

Hope everyone's staying safe during lockdown and busy playing online poker on our various options via apps/vpns/unregulated sites etc, I know I am

Prohibition doesn't work.

35 minute Joey interview/update with Poker Media re poker legislation in aus etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIVU...ature=youtu.be

Just posting in thread, I actually haven't had a chance to watch it myself yet but will soon obv

Great interview. Gets a lot said in 35 minutes.

Good interview Joey. A couple of interesting comments from the interview are that Joey is estimating that online poker will be back by July next year. And that he has a meeting with a minister soon (or may have happened by now).

Joey, any updates on the meeting?

It's important to remember that a meeting is really just a conversation. There's always time for a conversation if you know how to draw attention. As the adage goes "It's not what you know, it's who you know". Now is the best time to have conversations about regulation since the National Consumer Protection Framework has basically been implemented in each state/territory.

I know clubs, casinos, poker leagues etc. will be pursuing online options in their own way, given how the current pandemic has affected their business models. But their unlikely to vigorously push for regulation, at least not until The (frustratingly delayed) National Self-Exclusion Register is closer to being fully implemented (June 2021- Dec 2022). This is no different to a few years ago when the gambling industry didn't do much either, because they understood the government, ultimately, wouldn't do anything until the NCPF was implemented (May 2020, at the very least).

The NCPF is why I joined this forum discussion this year, to put focus on it. No one has been talking about it, but anybody seriously interested in legislation around an interactive gambling licence knew about NCPF from the beginning (I won't name names, or why it seems to have been kept quiet, but I can understand why).

Lol you reminded me of this from the IGA
"......It restricts the access of offshore providers to the Australian market, but only to the extent that Australian users choose to take advantage of the complaints-based content regime to filter these services from their systems."

Thanks for sharing, will take a look now.

I think it was a good interview but this point about COVID-19 and that it has forced a lot of what are problem gamblers onto black market gambling sites where there is little to no oversight with the lack of sports and live betting at the moment and that government could get its hand on some of the revenues made really needs to be rammed home now.

Regarding clubs and poker leagues, I can't see clubs pushing any online option as they will want people back to play pokies and drink at the bar when that is allowed again. Once a safe way can be established for these poker leagues to come back to the clubs they will try everything they can to get them back as they know how profitable they have to their bar and gaming operations.

Of course, that should go without saying, not to forget aswell that people are anxious to get out of the house, and socialise. But it is no secret that these businesses were already looking into online options (more people are migrating online), and the recent events will reinforce that pursuit, and fast track the creation of new solutions to mitigate the risks, regardless of whether it is a direct, or indirect investment.

I'd highly recommend watching that interview with Joey all the way through for a really good insight into where everything is currently situated.

How can sportsbet offer things like over under on the weather and what colour the PMs tie will be in his next conference? But we still cant have online poker.

Cant a company like pokerstars get a license for sports betting then offer poker under the "sports" category? The above options aren't sports but were offered.is it just because pokerstars is a foriegn company?

Sportsbet pays tax

You can basically credit Brian Harradine for that.
The corporation that operates PokerStars already offers sports betting in Australia under the BetEasy, Paddy Power and Betfair brands*.


*Maybe others too, I don't know.

Pretty sure Amaya which owned Beteasy got acquired by the brand that owns Sportsbet and Betfair too

Between their brands they have a substantial share of the Aussie market, SB/Beteasy are 2 of the 5 biggest books (along with ladbrokes/neds which are effectively the same thing now, unibet and bet365) and obv Betfair is the main sports exchange here too

I was of the impression Paddy Power doesn't operate in Australia - across Flutter and Stars Group they operate:
- SB/BetEasy and Betfair in Australia (merger is still yet to go through)
- Paddy Power, Betfair, SkyBet and BetStars in EU
- Fanduel, TVG and FoxBet in US

The issue for getting the licence for poker under their sportsbetting activities is that poker is specifically excluded from the IGA (which is why we want it amended).

is everyone still championing a return to the global pool? Games are pumping so hard right now with Australian players. In the current financial climate would the government really want lots of money to be leaving Australian shores?

I guess you could reframe this question to, "In the current financial climate where two of the largest generators of tax revenue to the NSW and VIC Governments are shuttered, and consumers across the globe have clearly expressed a willingness and trust in online gambling, would they really not want to explore ways to capture some of that going forward?"

I was thinking a pokerstars.fr situation.

Yes

There isn't a big enough population in Australia to run a closed-in poker site optimally, honestly nowhere could really do that other than the USA without it affecting the games that are able to run

Sure, the games would be soft but it really doesn't work without a critical mass of players and Australia is a low population country relatively speaking

Overall the rake generated from Australian players and thus the tax revenue would be higher with a global player pool and for the average rec player they want access to big field MTTs/instantly being able to sit at whatever game they want for cash games, that only happens on big sites - that's many all the PP/Pokerbros club app sites all pool liquidity between the various clubs, to generate the ability to have big field MTTs etc which is what most rec players want to play (or even for SNGs recs want them to fill quickly, or for cash to be able to sit instantly and have the table fill)

The reason this is such a critical time to get something rolling is that the incentives of all parties are as aligned as they'll ever be.

Money moves in and out of countries/currencies all the time because of consumer transactions. It shouldn't be too hard to impose POC (point of consumption) tax or something similar that allows Australians to participate in global wagering pools while the operator still pays its share here.