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Old 01-28-2019, 01:47 AM   #3926
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Re: TAKE ACTION: Need urgent help to keep Australian online poker. Deadline 21 July #AusFight4P

Hey guys,

As Swoop suggested above, he just contacted me and asked me to provide an update. I should have done this a while ago but I was holding out for some good news... it isn't coming.

The legislation we need passed has been sitting on the Minister's desk for the past few months. It just needed to go to Cabinet to be approved and then would have headed for the house.

Despite this being ready for a long time we have not been able to get it onto the floor of parliament. Put simply, between leadership spills, infighting and byelections there just wasn't any time to do actual governing.

Our hope of getting to the top of the policy list was Senator Leyonhjelm who could use his position to leverage the Government.

However, he has announced that he is going to run for the NSW Legislative Council (which he of course is welcome to do) meaning we lose this opportunity.

Simply put, without Leyonhhelm there to pressure the issue it seems unlikely that we have enough sitting weeks left to get this through before the election.

So, as frustrating as this seems, we need to look forward to the next government - regardless of what party they are from.

I am confident that we have enough support from both Liberal and Labor to get this through regardless of who forms the next government and we still hold the support if a significant number of crossbench Senators who will help us to achieve the right outcome when we do get a vote on this.

My view is that we are best off waiting until the election campaign. I will personally be writing to every candidate to ask their position on online poker (as I have done with all Liberal Party preselections I have been involved in). We will make these positions known publicly and I urge you to use this when making your choice on election day and asking others to do the same.

We will push for online poker through the whole election and will continue to do so once the new government is formed.

I know many in this thread have been disappointed by the silence and the perceived lack of action. It is your right to feel this way but I believe it was the right thing to do and I would have done the same again if given the opportunity, so I just want to speak about that briefly.

The legislation was never going to see the light of day unless it was going to pass. I.e if we aren't going to win a vote we won't have one. We were (and still are) confident that we have the numbers for this to pass if it does reach the floor of parliament.

The only risk to this voting majority was if the anti gambling forces caught wind of it and started to fight the issue publicly. In order for this to pass, we needed a quick, debate free bill that was only in parliament for a matter of second - not a long drawn out battle.

Given this we decided to keep the conversations quiet. Now, whether that is right or wrong is a debate for another time but I just wanted to share the reasoning for this with you.

An election changes things considerably and we should (and will) fight for air time as this heats up.

Thanks for your support. Feel free to do what you think is right now but I call on all of you to be ready to kick the campaign into overtime once an election is called.

Joey
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Old 01-28-2019, 02:15 AM   #3927
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Re: TAKE ACTION: Need urgent help to keep Australian online poker. Deadline 21 July #AusFight4P

I can see why Joey is a Turnbull supporter after reading that update.
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Old 01-28-2019, 02:39 AM   #3928
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Hey guys,



As Swoop suggested above, he just contacted me and asked me to provide an update. I should have done this a while ago but I was holding out for some good news... it isn't coming.



The legislation we need passed has been sitting on the Minister's desk for the past few months. It just needed to go to Cabinet to be approved and then would have headed for the house.



Despite this being ready for a long time we have not been able to get it onto the floor of parliament. Put simply, between leadership spills, infighting and byelections there just wasn't any time to do actual governing.



Our hope of getting to the top of the policy list was Senator Leyonhjelm who could use his position to leverage the Government.



However, he has announced that he is going to run for the NSW Legislative Council (which he of course is welcome to do) meaning we lose this opportunity.



Simply put, without Leyonhhelm there to pressure the issue it seems unlikely that we have enough sitting weeks left to get this through before the election.



So, as frustrating as this seems, we need to look forward to the next government - regardless of what party they are from.



I am confident that we have enough support from both Liberal and Labor to get this through regardless of who forms the next government and we still hold the support if a significant number of crossbench Senators who will help us to achieve the right outcome when we do get a vote on this.



My view is that we are best off waiting until the election campaign. I will personally be writing to every candidate to ask their position on online poker (as I have done with all Liberal Party preselections I have been involved in). We will make these positions known publicly and I urge you to use this when making your choice on election day and asking others to do the same.



We will push for online poker through the whole election and will continue to do so once the new government is formed.



I know many in this thread have been disappointed by the silence and the perceived lack of action. It is your right to feel this way but I believe it was the right thing to do and I would have done the same again if given the opportunity, so I just want to speak about that briefly.



The legislation was never going to see the light of day unless it was going to pass. I.e if we aren't going to win a vote we won't have one. We were (and still are) confident that we have the numbers for this to pass if it does reach the floor of parliament.



The only risk to this voting majority was if the anti gambling forces caught wind of it and started to fight the issue publicly. In order for this to pass, we needed a quick, debate free bill that was only in parliament for a matter of second - not a long drawn out battle.



Given this we decided to keep the conversations quiet. Now, whether that is right or wrong is a debate for another time but I just wanted to share the reasoning for this with you.



An election changes things considerably and we should (and will) fight for air time as this heats up.



Thanks for your support. Feel free to do what you think is right now but I call on all of you to be ready to kick the campaign into overtime once an election is called.



Joey
Thanks for the update, Joey.
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Old 01-28-2019, 03:43 AM   #3929
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I can see why Joey is a Turnbull supporter after reading that update.


Righto wanker.


Thanks for the update and all you’ve done Joey.
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Old 01-28-2019, 02:13 PM   #3930
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Thanks Joey. You're doing good work. Keep it up.
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Old 01-29-2019, 06:33 PM   #3931
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Thanks Joey. You are a Big Mac among hamburgers.
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Old 01-30-2019, 02:34 AM   #3932
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Legend Joey. Thanks for the update
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Old 01-31-2019, 08:10 PM   #3933
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Thanks Joey for the update. You are the man!
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Old 02-02-2019, 06:52 PM   #3934
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Thanks Joey for the update! this election cant come soon enough then!
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Old 02-07-2019, 06:46 PM   #3935
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Thanks Joey. Any comments on what the proposed legislation looks like? Will it be a blanket exemption in the IGA for sites offering online poker? Or will it be providing the possibility for overseas operators to obtain an Australian gaming licence?
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Old 02-12-2019, 08:39 AM   #3936
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Odds on getting poker back before Scoop this year! Usually held in May off the top of my head! Its unlikely isn't it?
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:35 AM   #3937
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Yes it's unlikely but not impossible - basically the government would have to make online poker a priority - they're in favour of doing it, it's just at the bottom of their to-do list because they're dysfunctional and trying not to get wrecked when they almost inevitably lose government in a few months

Fortunately our bill seems to be fairly popular across the political spectrum so hopefully we can get something passed this year regardless of who is in government.
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Old 02-12-2019, 04:04 PM   #3938
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Yes it's unlikely but not impossible - basically the government would have to make online poker a priority - they're in favour of doing it, it's just at the bottom of their to-do list because they're dysfunctional and trying not to get wrecked when they almost inevitably lose government in a few months

Fortunately our bill seems to be fairly popular across the political spectrum so hopefully we can get something passed this year regardless of who is in government.
Thanks for the reply Swoop! Lets hope they can it put top of the list would change my vote if needs be to get it passed! Ill take it coming back anytime this year!
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:30 PM   #3939
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Fortunately our bill seems to be fairly popular across the political spectrum so hopefully we can get something passed this year regardless of who is in government.
So, Swoop do you know if around election time Joey can post a blanket letter we can all copy and write to local governments during election times so we can all appear to be a "united front" to get the bill passed easier? I'm happy to fire an email in every direction I can at election time to get this bill passed but I cant write official sounding letters.
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Old 02-13-2019, 02:58 AM   #3940
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Thanks for all the hard work Joey!
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Old 03-11-2019, 06:02 AM   #3941
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Been about a month and its been a bit quite! I know there probably isn't much news to spread until the election campaign starts! But any update or news that can be shared would be much appreciated (just to keep me motivated to keep saving my bankroll for the stars return)
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Old 03-11-2019, 06:46 AM   #3942
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Been about a month and its been a bit quite! I know there probably isn't much news to spread until the election campaign starts! But any update or news that can be shared would be much appreciated (just to keep me motivated to keep saving my bankroll for the stars return)
Just a head's up its quiet (not being a dick just so you can learn and better use that word for the future).

Also there are a few other options if you are waiting. Right now Im currently applying my fishy poker skills on True Poker
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Old 03-11-2019, 04:24 PM   #3943
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Thanks for the hard work guys.
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:02 PM   #3944
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Just a head's up its quiet (not being a dick just so you can learn and better use that word for the future).

Also there are a few other options if you are waiting. Right now Im currently applying my fishy poker skills on True Poker
Apologizes auto correct was late so didn't even proof read!
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Old 03-11-2019, 08:08 PM   #3945
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How does the upcoming federal election effect us? At this stage it looks like the coalition might not hold onto power, is this good or bad for us... Should I be rooting for Labour?
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:48 AM   #3946
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Apologizes auto correct was late so didn't even proof read!
Well now i feel like a dick when I was just trying to help.

But srsly give WPN a go if you can make an account. Ignition works too but I dont enjoy the anonymity of it. Even if I know Im versing regs it helps me to be better if I can beat them and know I did.
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:16 PM   #3947
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Well now i feel like a dick when I was just trying to help.

But srsly give WPN a go if you can make an account. Ignition works too but I dont enjoy the anonymity of it. Even if I know Im versing regs it helps me to be better if I can beat them and know I did.
Dont feel like a dick mate! Its all good! I played a heap on iggy i dont mind the site but really just want a nice roll for stars so i can implement the study ive done with correct bankroll management!

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Old 03-22-2019, 07:12 AM   #3948
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Dont feel like a dick mate! Its all good! I played a heap on iggy i dont mind the site but really just want a nice roll for stars so i can implement the study ive done with correct bankroll management!
"study"? what kind of study?
I've been this tempted to purchase RYE basic course but not sure if its wise without being able to apply it consistently and then learn from it as i go
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Old 03-22-2019, 07:34 AM   #3949
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"study"? what kind of study?
I've been this tempted to purchase RYE basic course but not sure if its wise without being able to apply it consistently and then learn from it as i go
Yeah i havent got to rye yet fot the same reason! Just been doing a heap of hand reviews! And free study material on yotube/ twitch (Gripsed evan Jarvis & lex veldhuis) great resource to watch and learn from
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Old 03-22-2019, 08:48 AM   #3950
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Yeah i havent got to rye yet fot the same reason! Just been doing a heap of hand reviews! And free study material on yotube/ twitch (Gripsed evan Jarvis & lex veldhuis) great resource to watch and learn from
Yeah im a bit the same.

If you ever wanna talk some stuff let me know, just message me
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