poor trolling itt? what is this?

https://www.highstakesdb.com/8165-ha...ine-poker.aspx

Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no

Problem here is that bitcoin have zero intrinsic value, unlike the housing market or say gold. I think you may be underestimating the chance that bitcoin value goes to zero. Read what Jamie Dimon has been saying. Still, I think it's worth a punt particularly as bitcoin has limited supply (like gold) so if it does establish itself there will be profits to be made. Just don't stick too much in there and see it as more a long shot.

a ringfenced aussie market would be ghey, I want to enter tournaments with more than 14 players and play with drunk russians

The value of bitcoin is in the technology. It's value is what people will pay for it. The value will continue to rise as its use becomes more mainstream. Bitcoin is a solid investment.

Jamie Dimon deals in US dollars and stocks, it is not in his interest to promote cryptocurrencies. The intrinsic value/not backed by anything argument can be applied to the dollar and a brick of gold. What can you do with a piece of paper or a brick of metal? A bottle of water and bag of bread is more valuable in the right circumstance.

OK I'll bite. Bitcoin doesn't own any technology. Blockchain is the technology not bitcoin. Bitcoin's value will rise if it becomes mainstream but will fade to zero if it's replaced by another form of crypto currency.

Jamie Dimon deals in more than just USD and equities. He has also invested heavily (and so far unsuccesfully) in blockchain technologies. USD is backed by gold which itself is not just a brick of metal but a useful and desired material (over many centuries).

Don't want to be the guy that tells you Santa Clause isn't real but...

"Since 1971, U.S. citizens have been able to utilize Federal Reserve Notes as the only form of money that for the first time had no currency with any gold or silver backing. This is where you get the saying that U.S. dollars are backed by the “full faith and credit” of the U.S. Government."

Just chiming in to share my somewhat negative experience with a deposit on ignition using bitcoin (via blockchain) that is occurring as we speak.

cliffs:

1)started using visa to deposit there which is no longer accepted
2)made over a dozen bitcoin deposits there since then
3)alot of those deposits i would have to go to live chat to contact the finance team to get it credited (sometimes they would ask for a screenshot usually just the wallet id's or last 4 digits though)
4)deposited once tonight waited for ages had 9 confirmations they had to manually credit it (no screenshot needed)
5)deposit again approach live chat they tell me it gotta send a ss and wait 24-48 hours.

Now they aren't really cliffs so here goes.

my transaction from my wallet to there wallet now has been confirmed for well over 2 hours now. I'm not sure if i can post links to view this i will try and post ss's later if its not resolved.

there wallet has now made confirmed transactions to another 2 wallets which have then gone through over 10 different wallets of confirmed transactions.

Live chat is telling me they havn't got my money yet and that its still pending. I can clearly see my money going to their wallet and them sending it off to others and so and so on.

I am completely fed up with them now I can't even type properly, but basically pending to me is they havn't put the money in my casino account, yet they are talking to me like "it still says pending we havn't received the money yet".

I find it very odd that after them escalating any deposit issue for me so promptly now my funds (which are clearly received by them) are not in my account., and nor will they contact them on my behalf, i guess i can call up but that might be expensive, i did call once not sure how much it costed though.

I can only guess they got sick of me contacting them to put it in my account or whatever, or someone from their support staff got the ****s at me when i gave them some crap for not giving me a bonus, (i wasn't out of line though) i was just telling her to stop copy pasting dumb **** to me.

It's now been well over 2 hours now since i've been battling with there live chat to use their brains and sort it out, it's a waste of my time and theirs, and its quite insulting for them to say they havn't received my money when i can clearly see all the transactions on blockchain.

I am going to return to the fight on the live chat, it's not over yet, feel free to fight the fight with me.

In case anyone reading here missed it, i did post a month or so back how good their support was and i really didn't want to have to make a negative post but i feel it's a duty for me to report my experience there just so it's all out in the open for everyone to see how they can approach things.

i guess if there is anything anyone can take from this is, explore your options before u sign up to this casino. Whether its live poker, acr, other sites or something else. If this is a hint at what they could be like if the **** hit the fan then you definitely wouldn't want any sizeable amount of $ on there.

I will report back on the outcome and don't mind clarifying anything,

26sk8er

Winner. Bitcoin will be worth crazy amounts relatively soon. Get on it or be left behind.

Thats weird I have a debit mastercard for Ignition and the only fees ive been paying are what my bank puts on there for currency conversion which from memory is like 3% and pretty standard (I believe Stars charged 2.5% or so in currency vig anyway). I'll have to double check and make sure I didn't miss anything

Quite liking Ignition so far, USA players are bad having been segregated from global player pool for so long (unfortunately we will be too in a few years if we can't get a global market back but hopefully we can we'll know more in October when the report's out)

I wish there was more mixed games traffic at SWC, low rake + 12game etc is cool just annoying that there isnt much action

Haven't been playing on Monster last few wks but games are good there as of a month or so ago. Still haven't played on master as NLHE/PLO cash isn't really my thing. I will get around to playing on ACR at some stage but not a huge fan of their software/company for some reason but i'll give it a chance.

I did a similar deposit to you 26sk8er on same site, but I was charged a $48 fee I did the deposit later I found out that this fee is from your wallet provider.

Ignition chat told me they charge 5.9% if you use Visa Master/debit and free if you use bitcoins.

Was your deposit big enough to cover the fee + I think the min you have to deposit is $20 on there site.

I did my deposit and the $ was there in seconds with my 1st x bonus and was able to play with in a few min.

Hmmm I'm wanting to deposit with Btc onto ignition soon, anyone else experiencing troubles?

Regarding my post above the amount of the still uncredited deposit is $50 Aus (earlier that
Day I had made a deposit of the same size that went through)

It's been over 10 hours now still nothing credited and no email response besides the standard we will get back to you template.

At the end before I gave u with live chat they were saying they were experiencing "bitcoin congestion issues" and the reason they can't open my email to view proof of the transaction by a screenshot is that they need to address these missing transactions in the order they are received, all sounds bs to me.

Well I bit the bullet and just went with bitcoin, signed up and deposited to ACR with no dramas.

Lots of punting going on which is great. Pretty annoying that it doesn't have Tournament Result summaries so you have to manually enter them into your HUD. Hand replayer also sucks and you can't see the mucked cards like you can on Stars. No custom bet sizes/slider option is also quite annoying.

Positives: Super long late reg which I like, because it encourages lots of donks jumping in with 10BB and punting off. Free $$$

I also like the slower blind levels for some of the reg speeds. 12-15 minutes gives you more breathing room to pick your spots better.

Agree, agree. The bet sizing function is terrible and not seeing mucked cards from previous hand sucks.

Sounds a bit doggy, I sent them 3 email and no reply after 4 days they said it was due to a storm that hit were they are.

They don't have the traffic to be to bizzy bit weird.

I tried to deposit $250 but had to leave $ for fee/ deposit went through with 1stx bonus and was able to play with in min's.

My fee was $32 not $48
GL with it.

Yeah acr depositing been alright, still gotta try ignition. Ppl still getting troubles? Keen to play the Sunday Schedule next week for the long weekend =)

^^even after calling them i still had to wait 2 hours and then go on live chat again after going on live chat probably 10 times yesterday, all up it was over 16 hours before i got my funds credited.

They were just holding out on me the whole time, once i said i would inform my parliament representatives of australia on this matter and expose them operating in australia and make sure there site gets ip blocked by every internet provider in our country it got instantly credited, i have a screenshot of the chat where that happened to, i didn't want to have to say that but the way they acted imo its better these sites get banned by our government then allowed and that legal sites with licencences be availailable.

It is going to be hard for us to push the legality of online poker in australia when people are still grinding on offshore dodgy sites, the biggest reason for giving certain companies licenses to operate in australia should be because of the negative consequences of offshore operators, im not saying grinders should not grind them, but if our government is going to pass this stupid law in the first place, i myself am going to make sure they enforce it.

from another perspective, i really shouldn't have had to a) post on this forum about it b) tell them i would approach the govt) to get credited for my deposit, they are thugs straight out, be careful

^^even after calling them i still had to wait 2 hours and then go on live chat again after going on live chat probably 10 times yesterday, all up it was over 16 hours before i got my funds credited.

They were just holding out on me the whole time, once i said i would inform my parliament representatives of australia on this matter and expose them operating in australia and make sure there site gets ip blocked by every internet provider in our country it got instantly credited, i have a screenshot of the chat where that happened to, i didn't want to have to say that but the way they acted imo its better these sites get banned by our government then allowed and that legal sites with licencences be availailable.

It is going to be hard for us to push the legality of online poker in australia when people are still grinding on offshore dodgy sites, the biggest reason for giving certain companies licenses to operate in australia should be because of the negative consequences of offshore operators, im not saying grinders should not grind them, but if our government is going to pass this stupid law in the first place, i myself am going to make sure they enforce it.

from another perspective, i really shouldn't have had to a) post on this forum about it b) tell them i would approach the govt) to get credited for my deposit, they are thugs straight out, be careful

On the contrary, this works in our favour. This shows that forcing legitimate operators to withdraw services doesn't work.

It hasn't stopped rooms from servicing US clients over the last 6 years.

It hasn't worked in European countries who have forced local ISPs to block illegal sites by issuing blacklists.

The Greek government has had their anti-gaming laws ruled illegal by the European Commission.

The only way to get rid of the shady operators is to squeeze them out of business. This is only possible by regulation and licensing.

Also those sites will not be forced into a position where they have to close unless the US regulates at Federal level.

anyone tried winamax, unibet, sky poker or any other card rooms except ACR, Ignition that can feedback?

We can play on Winamax?

Pretty sure we can't play on unibet unless i've been misinformed

And yeah all these points about how dodgy ACR/Ignition/etc are are valid, that's WHY we want regulated online poker these are the companies that don't give a **** about the law, so we all need to tread carefully and obv never keep more money on any of them than we need to play with

The endless positivity is good to see. Actions will speak louder then words however. Gonna need some run good to get online poker back anytime soon I fear but GL