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07-13-2017 , 11:52 AM
I doubt it ^^ they've done close to fk all as it now and like I said a case of too little too late, especially by the ones who could of made a real difference ie; stars,party and 888 who fizzled under pressure months ago.

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07-13-2017 , 12:03 PM
888 leaving the market early is truly pathetic, and I hope when we win that they lose market share as a result and the idiots who made the decision to pull out early are fired

Hoping Stars send the email today but it's the bare minimum along with (imo) making a submission themselves.
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07-13-2017 , 07:26 PM
Received Stars email

We promised to keep you informed about the impact of amendments to the Interactive Gambling Act 2001 and the potential for PokerStars to halt real money poker play in Australia if they become law. The IGA has still not been passed and an inquiry into the participation of Australians in online poker has been set up. .......
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07-13-2017 , 08:01 PM
Email received from Stars finally!
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07-13-2017 , 11:31 PM
Submission finally done.

Started out as just a " tweak" to the initial one done for when this was 1st raised and ended completely rewriting it.

Fingers crossed we have our voices heard !

Once again... great work Joey for at least getting us the opportunity !
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07-14-2017 , 01:34 AM
Just uploaded my submission. Very simple process and I hope everyone can take the time.
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07-14-2017 , 02:00 AM
Well said zzatopek! Again I've been spreading the word at the tables. A few today said they were informed through Pav's twitch stream. Nice one dude!!
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07-14-2017 , 02:05 AM
No email from stars for me, I'm feeling left out.
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07-14-2017 , 02:32 AM
I've now uploaded my submission too after pondering the feedback. On reflection I agreed with you guys and took away reference to my profit figuring there was more downside than upside in that line.

For those that haven't done it, registration took 1.5 minutes, click email validation link, upload and complete process takes under 3 minutes. NO EXCUSES!

Also my wife has her submission underway, remember to get someone who knows you to do one too.
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07-14-2017 , 04:46 AM
is there a link to viewing total submissions?
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07-14-2017 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Hristivoje
is there a link to viewing total submissions?
I don't think this is available until the inquiry is over. I wondered the same thing
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07-14-2017 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 6V6GT
I don't think this is available until the inquiry is over. I wondered the same thing
damn. not sure what a realistic number is at this point but i really hope 200 is the bare minimum. 1,000 should be the target.
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07-14-2017 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Harambee
Email received from Stars finally!

Can you please forward a copy to joseph@australianonlinepokeralliance.com.au

Thanks
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07-14-2017 , 08:07 AM
Done
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07-14-2017 , 10:10 AM
Hi everybody. I have just finished my submission. I'm posting it here in case it gets the juices flowing for everyone else. It is maybe a bit emotional but it comes from the heart.

Thank you all for your efforts, I have been very impressed with some of the submissions I have read on here. Praying for a positive result on D-Day.

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1. The participation of Australians in online poker

My name is Brent. I am 26 years old and a recreational poker player. Poker is a hobby and a passion for me. I have been an admirer of poker since I was a child, and growing up I eagerly watched broadcasts of World Poker Tour and World Series of Poker events on Foxtel. I have played the game in some casual capacity ever since, usually as a social activity with friends. As I passed the age of 18 and the possibility emerged of playing seriously, I became a student of the game. Since then, I have spent countless hours studying strategy, watching professionals play and playing in micro and low stakes games online. Living in regional Australia at the time, online poker was really the only way to engage in the competitive form of the game.

I have introduced a number of my friends to the game, and through this have managed to join some of them to their own lifelong passion and love for poker. None of this would be possible without online poker. The online form of the game permits players to avoid the stress and pressure of a casino environment, allows players to play for whatever stakes they feel comfortable (the lowest online stakes cost $1 or less to play compared to a minimum of $100 - $200 in most casinos), and allows players to experiment with strategy in an environment that lacks the confrontational experience of live casino poker. The barrier of entry to poker is far too high in live casino poker, and the overwhelming majority of poker players cut their teeth in an online environment.

More broadly, Australians have a large and visible presence when it comes to online poker. I have met hundreds of fellow Australians on strategy forums, fan communities and playing at the virtual tables. Australia has produced champion professional players, masters of strategy and leading minds in the poker world. Many of these Australians could not have found their path without starting out playing online poker.


2. The nature and extent of any personal or social harms and benefits arising from participating in online poker

I have found modest success in the game of poker in terms of financial reward. However, I believe winnings are irrelevant to my enjoyment of the game. The true value of my passion for poker is as a source of personal development and growth. Poker has taught me patience, perseverance and the value of hard work. Poker has taught me more about the intricacies of probability and social dynamics than I could have ever hoped to have learned otherwise. My ability as a poker player is a source of personal pride, even though I am not the best at the game. I feel pride because I have built my abilities over many years of hard work and at and away from the online tables. I have met a number of people I consider dear friends through the online poker community, people from around the globe. They have helped me to become a better player and a better person. Online poker has had such a profound effect on my life that I can not imagine what I would be if I had never tapped this rich vein of personal development.

Today, I live in metropolitan Queensland. Live casino poker is available to me, with two live poker rooms within easy traveling distance. If online poker is indeed prohibited, the casino will be the only way I can legally engage with my lifelong hobby and passion. I do not want to leave the comfort of my home and enter a casino where there are dozens of high-risk games of pure chance surrounding the poker tables, where there is liberal service of alcohol to dull the senses and decision-making ability of the players, and where the casino take a large percentage of the player's funds off the table and into their pockets. I believe it is critically important to consider that prohibiting online poker does not ban poker overall, it just pushes players like myself who love the game into an environment which presents far greater risks and potential for the formation of problematic gambling habits. Regulated online poker is a substantially more protective and safe environment for players.


3. Whether the current regulatory approach, in particular, the recently amended Interactive Gambling Act 2001, is a reasonable and proportionate response to those harms and benefits.

I do not believe from any express or implied statement that online poker was a target of the recent amendment to the Interactive Gambling Act 2001. I implore all Committee members, please do not allow online poker to become collateral damage in the attempt to control unruly offshore sports betting operations.

I understand that the Australian government is attempting to curb problem gambling. I appreciate and applaud all efforts to protect vulnerable members of our society from falling into a trap that has victimised too many Australians. There are members of the general public and of parliament who I will never be able to convince no matter how impassioned my words, because they truly believe that any form of gambling should be outlawed or strictly controlled. Some Committee members may share their feelings. To those people I say this: the gambling aspect of the game is almost irrelevant to the enjoyment I and everyone I know derive from poker. My enjoyment comes from my drive and aspiration to continually improve my game, to outwit my opponent, and to demonstrate my mastery of the game in whatever capacity I can. I do not talk on behalf of the professionals or the high stakes geniuses (of which there are many in Australia), but on behalf of the average Australian who plays the game for enjoyment. Enjoyment of the challenge we find in the game, and enjoyment of the strategic depth available to explore. Poker is unique in the gambling world that it affords players the opportunity to utilise skill rather than luck to influence the outcome. Poker without real stakes (i.e. the ability to play for real money) drastically changes the fabric of the game in a detrimental manner. Without the pressure of making decisions with genuine consequences, players are free to make sub-optimal decisions in the hopes of getting lucky and winning the hand. If they lose it is meaningless, as they had no stake in the hand to begin with. This is why it is so important to players that we maintain a regulatory framework that permits real-money online poker.

There is clear global precedent for the establishment of a regulatory framework that would allow industry leaders like Pokerstars and Party Poker to operate in Australia and provide access to a large international player pool. While far sharper minds than mine would need to determine how that may work, I would point to the UK as a shining example of a regulatory framework that permits the growth of poker while maintaining appropriate checks and balances to protect game integrity, secure player funds and protect potential problem gamblers. I thank the Committee for their consideration.
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07-14-2017 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by cbeaks
No email from stars for me, I'm feeling left out.
I didn't get one either. Then again I didn't get the last one they sent either, so I have no idea what's going on. I still receive emails from them when I spend my Starscoins or whatever, maybe it's an email setting that I selected for my Stars acct or something or maybe not everyone's getting them? Can other people report in whether they got the Stars email please? I'll check the settings tomorrow, I did used to get the Supernova emails etc when I was a Supernova though and the only ones I turned off as far as I remember are the notification emails when you cash a tournament

Nice submission BDR
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07-14-2017 , 06:16 PM
I received an email from stars, but it was filtered into the promotions section of my inbox (gmail) which I never check. Unfortunately I think a lot of players will miss it entirely.
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07-14-2017 , 08:34 PM
Stars Email Below


Dear blissy6969,

We promised to keep you informed about the impact of amendments to the Interactive Gambling Act 2001 and the potential for PokerStars to halt real money poker play in Australia if they become law. The IGA has still not been passed and an inquiry into the participation of Australians in online poker has been set up.

The inquiry is titled ‘Participation of Australians in online poker’ and the deadline for submissions is July 21, 2017. The Environment and Communications Committee will report back to the Australian Senate by 14 September. This report will decide the fate of online poker in Australia. (And it’s up to you to save our game, says the Australian Online Poker Alliance’s Joseph Del Duca in an interview with PokerStars Blog.)

A major part of the inquiry is the acceptance of submissions. Anyone with an interest in online poker – from players to operators - can express their opinion in a submission using the same terms of reference as the investigating committee.

The Australian Online Poker Alliance (AOPA) has played an important role in getting the case of online poker to this stage and is encouraging anyone who supports online poker in Australia to make a submission. Find out more about the steps the AOPA is asking Australian poker fans to take by clicking below.
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07-14-2017 , 09:21 PM
It's a good email, however I suspect Swoop's right and it'll only go to those that haven't opted out of email subscriptions. I can't remember what I opted out of but typically this would be everything possible.
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07-15-2017 , 01:00 AM
I got the same email that is posted here yesterday. I think stars has done to little to late.
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07-15-2017 , 01:24 PM
I agree it's unacceptable that Stars has left it this late when it's millions in revenue every year forever etc.

I didn't get it to my spam inbox either so maybe i'm opted out. Hopefully most players got it.

5 days to go, if anyone who has posted in thread hasn't made a submission yet do so.

Everyone who has made a submission tell three friends who play poker to make one, or even friends/family who don't play poker (it would make most sense for them to argue personal freedoms + increased govt revenue for people who don't play themselves)

We had I believe something like 20 submissions in round 1.

We've had plenty of notice this time, we NEED to have 100+ submissions in favour of online poker here there is no reason why we shouldn't.
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07-16-2017 , 03:04 AM
So I have put together a submission and wouldn't mind any critique/suggestions before I submit it.

Thanks

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Participation Of Australians In Online Poker



a. The participation of Australians in online poker.



My name is Shane, I am 44 years old and work shifts in a pulp mill in regional South Australia.

I play poker online as a hobby for recreation, entertainment, mental exercise and social interaction with people from Australia and around the world.

My only other hobby, now I am too old and slow to play football, is sporting shooting. Unfortunately due to the nature of my shift work, I work three weekends out of every four, I can only practice this hobby once a month. Maybe when I retire, if it is still legal then, I can increase my participation in this sport.





b. The nature and extent of any personal or social harms and benefits arising from participating in online poker.





I play online poker at micro stakes where tournaments typically range from $0.50 to $10 buy in and cash games are in the 2c/5c , 5c/10c range. These price ranges are very affordable and in the approximately 15 years I have played online I have never needed to deposit more than $50 in a year to maintain this hobby. In comparison to this, before I quit smoking in January 2000 I would easily spend that amount on cigarettes each and every week.

One of the great benefits and strengths of poker is its inclusiveness, anyone can play this sport. It doesn’t require any physical attributes or prowess to participate and succeed so someone with a physical disability can compete on equal footing with an elite professional athlete or someone in their 60’s can contend equally with someone in their 20’s. Both male and female everyone plays together.

My participation in the online poker community has provided me with great social interaction with people around the world who share an interest in poker. This interaction is great for a shift worker like myself. Due to having to work three weekends out of every four opportunities for more traditional local social interaction, such as sporting and social clubs, is troublesome at best and typically unworkable. This is exacerbated by the fact I live in a regional area far from metropolitan centres so types of clubs and meeting times available to me are very limited. The online poker community goes a long way to bridge that social isolation.

I have also found poker to be a great way to keep the mind active. It has probably done more than anything else to remind me of, and keep fresh, the maths lesson I learnt at school all those decades ago.

Due to the international nature of the online player pool, I as a shift worker can find people to play with when it suits me. For example I might be looking for a relaxing game at 8am after I have finished night shift and can easily find people to play with, If I was forced to do so locally it would be all but impossible.





c. Whether the current regulatory approach, in particular, the recently amended Interactive Gambling Act 2001, is a reasonable and proportionate response to those harms and benefits.





To me it appears that, in relation to online poker, the Interactive Gambling Act 2001 is a case of using a sledgehammer to crack a nut and is likely in my opinion to do more harm than good.

As an example say you have someone who has a need to gamble, with online poker they can satisfy that need at low and micro stakes and even losing, the amount of money involved is so low it is not a problem for them. If you take away online poker the only option available to them to satisfy their need to play poker is to go to a bricks and mortar casino where instead of playing the 2c/5c online game the lowest game they can play might be $2/$5. So instead of taking $5 to $10 to the table they have to take $100 to $200 to the table and you have now turned a well adjusted, perfectly manageable gambler into a problem gambler.

I also feel this act disproportionately negatively impacts regional/rural poker players. In my own case if online poker is effectively banned I would have to drive 400 to 500 kilometres each way to go play poker at the nearest bricks and mortar casinos in Adelaide and Melbourne and others have much further than I to travel.

Online poker is one of the least damaging forms of gambling available, banning it I believe is just going to drive people into higher risk forms of gambling.

I am submitting this in the hope you can amend the Interactive Gambling Act 2001 to allow for responsible internet poker providers, such as Poker Stars, to become legally regulated in Australia.
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07-16-2017 , 03:54 AM
Great submission Lord C.

My wife's done hers, posted here if anyone's interested:



the participation of Australians in online poker


I am not an online poker player, however my husband is and when I found out about the

plans to ban online poker sites I felt compelled to write to let you know I am not

supportive and to suggestion that online poker not be outlawed.

I am an Australian citizen who has lived in Australia for the past 11 years, having

emigrated from the UK. I am a mother of two young children and have worked in

corporate Australia for the majority of my time here. I am now an entrepreneur, having

recently set up my own business.

I am happily married to my husband, who is also British. He has worked in senior

positions in corporate Australia for the entire time he has lived here and both of us have

enjoyed good salaries and have therefore paid significant amounts in taxation.

the nature and extent of any personal or social harms and benefits arising from

participating in online poker


My husband loves playing online poker. It is one of his preferred hobbies. He also enjoys

swimming, walking, travelling and enjoying good food. His online poker playing is far

from all consuming – during the day he works, or enjoys time with his family on the

weekend. And then when the kids and I go to bed at night he logs on and plays for a

couple of hours.

He is quite introverted and, aside from enjoying the game itself he enjoys building

relationships with the regulars that he interacts with either through the game or in the

poker forums that he is part of. These people come from all over the world and many of

them have now turned into good friends.

He does not ever go to casinos and play poker face to face and has never taken place in

unskilled gambling, e.g. playing the pokies.

My perception of the people that my husband interacts with is that many are highly

intelligent, skilled professionals who enjoy the game of poker. Certainly my husband is

highly intelligent and analytical and has read multiple books that explain how to play well at poker.

Poker is different to other unskilled gambling in that you can become a good poker

player. I feel no concern that my husband is going to lose the family money – after his

initial (small) deposit I have seen nothing but profits (of course there have been losses

but the overall trajectory has been consistently upwards).

The discussions on the poker forums have been interesting and intellectually stimulating

for my husband. My husband is able bodied but if he weren’t I can imagine this form of

intellectual stimulation and social interaction would be highly beneficial – particularly if

he weren’t able to get out to a casino (which is what is being proposed).

whether the current regulatory approach, in particular, the recently amended

Interactive Gambling Act 2001, is a reasonable and proportionate response to

those harms and benefits.
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The fact that under the new legislation my husband wouldn’t be able to play online but

would instead be forced to go to a casino is in my mind ridiculous. He wouldn’t go to a

casino as this isn’t his thing – as mentioned he is introverted and uses online poker as a

means of winding down at home in front of a movie.

But even if this was his thing, encouraging him to go where there are pokies and other

forms of unskilled gambling, with their flashing lights and instant appeal, is like dangling

a carrot in front of someone. This won’t be an issue for my husband but would

potentially be for someone with limited will power.

Banning online poker is also futile as within a short period of time people will find a way

of getting around this and still being able to play online; except it will be done in an

unregulated and potentially more unsafe fashion.

So why not keep it legal, continue with a ban of online pokies and unskilled gambling,

but introduce some regulation? This way the government also continues to benefit from

the significant revenue that flows from this.

This is a safe hobby that my husband enjoys and to think that the government is

thinking of banning this to me seems unacceptable. I love to swim – does this mean the

government is going to ban all swimming pools in case I drown?
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07-16-2017 , 06:52 AM
"Online poker is played by millions around the world, namely from first world European countries in which Australia shares a lot in common with in other areas such as quality of life etc. Why are we jumping the gun and going backwards in another area of personal liberties and freedoms where other countries which Australia is competitive with, aren’t?

Poker is a game of skill. The smartest and hardest working players are the ones winning, just like any other form of sport or competition. Although it is crucial to ensure that vulnerable individuals aren’t exploited online, which is a key goal of this bill, banning online poker is not the best way to do this.

The positive effects of saving the relatively small amount of individuals who are being exploited by poker do not even come close to the negative effects of banning it from the thousands of individuals who enjoy the game daily. Furthermore, banning online poker may force not only vulnerable individuals that this bill aims to help but also your everyday poker loving player to venture onto less regulated and ‘illegal’ sites potentially putting them into harm’s way.

I really do hope that these submissions and the voices of the people are heard on this matter because the banning of online poker in Australia will have a big impact on a lot of Australians – more than I think a lot of people that have to decide their fate know. For example, some of my friends who I have talked to are considering the possibility of moving overseas if this bill is passed in its current form."
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07-16-2017 , 07:26 AM
A lot of great submissions coming through. Well done everyone.

We are down to the final few days. We need a big lift from everyone on the home straight.

If you haven't written anything now is the time.

If you have then jump on your Facebook messenger list and encourage three other poker players to do the same.
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