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Will upload the following tonight..... I wanted to put in a recreational view of someone who is not winning but plays for fun

The participation of Australians in online poker;

My name is Karl, I am 57 years and live on my own. My wife passed away 4 years ago, my children are grown and have left home. Online poker is hobby for me. I probably play 3 or 4 nights a week on average. Poker gives me something to do, a challenge and something to look forward to when I come home at night from work. I have a good social life and see my kids regularly. I probably go out one or two nights a week. The other nights I am on my own. I play guitar, poker, x-box, watch television etc. I particularly enjoy poker for the challenge it provides. It provides stimulation and something to focus on for me. I enjoy the theory and mathematical aspects of poker.

I am thinking of retiring in 4 or 5 years. I will need to find things to occupy my time. I was hoping online poker would be one activity I could enjoy in my retirement.

The nature and extent of any personal or social harms and benefits arising from participating in online poker;

Overall, I have lost an average $3.60 per week since 2011. I spend an average of 6 hours per week playing on-line cash games, so this costs me 60c per hour to play. To put this into perspective, I spend $8 a day on coffee at work. A few dollars a week for poker represents excellent value for money entertainment for me.

The following quote supports my experience that online poker gaming is a low cost and therefore low risk activity. (Page 113 of the “Final Report 2012 Review of the Interactive Gambling Act 2001”)

Dr Gainsbury notes that, in a recent online survey of 6682 Australian gamblers, median monthly losses for online poker players were $1, suggesting most players gamble for relatively low stakes. In the study, this was the lowest monthly loss reported for any gambling activity (although Dr Gainsbury noted caution in interpreting expenditure data due to large variation in responses).

Online gambling is a low-cost option compared to a Casino. The minimum buy in at my local Casino is $100, maximum $500. The average would probably be $200-$400. This is beyond the reach of many players other than for an occasional once a year treat. Banning online poker will remove the opportunity to play low cost poker for fun for many people.

I have a dozen or so friends who are recreational gamblers, as many Australians are. None of them have any gambling issues, they all work and play poker for fun. We play online, get together to play poker, we like to follow the big games and personalities in poker and have fun. The social aspect of Poker is important. I have made lifelong friends through poker.

Poker requires analytical and mathematical skills to name a few. Improving these skills is the challenge. The old quote “a minute to learn and a lifetime to master” is true. One benefit of poker is improving logical thought processes, mathematical ability and general clarity. Like many card games, the participants must think about what they are doing, study and practice to get better. Poker keeps you learning as the game and its theory evolves.

Whether the current regulatory approach, in particular, the recently amended Interactive Gambling Act 2001, is a reasonable and proportionate response to those harms and benefits.

A total ban on-line poker is clearly not a proportional response. This is the same logic as a total ban on alcohol, driving and shopping given there are problem drinkers, over a 1000 road fatalities a year and burgeoning levels of personal debt.

A proportional response would acknowledge the lower levels of risk associated with online poker as noted in the following quote from the “Final Report 2012 Review of the Interactive Gambling Act 2001”

In making its recommendation regarding regulated access, the Productivity Commission stressed the difference between online poker card playing and other forms of online gaming, noting that while all types of gambling carry some degree of risk, online poker card playing involves relatively lesser risk

A reasonable response given this lower level of risk would be regulation rather than prohibition. There are a variety of examples regulation such as the UK model as referred to in the final report that could be used as a basis for this.

In summary, I hope the committee recognizes Poker is a low risk form of entertainment for the vast majority of recreational players. We enjoy playing and are happy to pay a reasonable amount for that entertainment.

Thank you for taking the time to review my submission. I hope online poker is not banned, but regulated along the lines of the UK model instead.

Fantastic!

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07-10-2017 , 02:53 AM

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cbeaks

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Originally Posted by JoeyDel

Great work!

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Originally Posted by JoeyDel

Fantastic!

+1

Also good job on the pokercast interview Joey, you're a great communicator and summarised our predicament and how we ended up here excellently. Ever considered a career in politics?

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07-10-2017 , 03:09 AM

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Madsaac

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Originally Posted by 6V6GT

Dr Gainsbury notes that, in a recent online survey of 6682 Australian gamblers, median monthly losses for online poker players were $1, suggesting most players gamble for relatively low stakes. In the study, this was the lowest monthly loss reported for any gambling activity (although Dr Gainsbury noted caution in interpreting expenditure data due to large variation in responses).

In making its recommendation regarding regulated access, the Productivity Commission stressed the difference between online poker card playing and other forms of online gaming, noting that while all types of gambling carry some degree of risk, online poker card playing involves relatively lesser risk

Yeah this is very good, would you mind and if I use this as a template and put my own spin on it please.....

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07-10-2017 , 03:30 AM

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Hood

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Originally Posted by SwoopAE

Good news re: ignition but lets keep the focus on submissions until the deadline has passed there is no reason we shouldn't have 100+ submissions from Australian poker players by July 21.

I think the good news about Ignition is that it adds strength to the argument that a crackdown will force out legitimate operators, but attract the less regulated, less scrupulous kind. There will always be online gaming available; the question is whether they want regulated, tax-paying, trustworthy sites that follow their consumer protection guidelines for Australians to play on, or offshore, untracked, unlicensed operators? Which furthers the goal of protecting consumers?

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07-10-2017 , 04:17 AM

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Hristivoje

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I'll be making my video on youtube tonight about the steps to submitting your own piece to parliament. Just have a quick question to make sure I get my facts straight:

I'm aware submissions to Parliament end July 21, but what date and process will they undertake to finalise the bill?

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07-10-2017 , 04:18 AM

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6V6GT

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Originally Posted by Madsaac

Yeah this is very good, would you mind and if I use this as a template and put my own spin on it please.....

No Problem at all!

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07-10-2017 , 05:33 AM

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SwoopAE

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The hearing is September 14.

Great submission 6V6GT very well written. Monk's is solid too.

Re: Joey in politics yeah, he's a future MP if things go to plan, hopefully sooner rather than later, he's exactly the type of person we need in politics especially on the Liberal Party side of things

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07-10-2017 , 06:45 AM

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Hood

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Joey guest post on PokerStars blog - sorry if a dupe, didn't see this elsewhere:
http://www.pokerstarsblog.com/en/blo...u-167037.shtml

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07-10-2017 , 07:24 AM

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Harambee

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Met a lot of Aussie's on the tables today during the Sunday grind and help spread the word with them.

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07-10-2017 , 09:34 AM

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Hristivoje

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Originally Posted by Harambee

Met a lot of Aussie's on the tables today during the Sunday grind and help spread the word with them.

awesome stuff!

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07-10-2017 , 09:51 AM

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SwoopAE

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Joey guest post on PokerStars blog - sorry if a dupe, didn't see this elsewhere:
http://www.pokerstarsblog.com/en/blo...u-167037.shtml

Great post

@Joey is it possible to get Pokerstars to email that to everyone with an Australian registered account on their database? In a week and a bit it'll be too late, we need them to do this for us now as i'm sure they have the biggest database of Australian online poker players of any company. I mean, we're something like 3% of their business that's millions in lost revenue if we lose, sending an email would help tremendously

Good to see them let you make a blog post but so few people will read that compared to an email, I wouldn't have known your blog post existed on the Stars website and i'm probably in the top 10 most engaged people as far as this campaign goes.

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07-10-2017 , 01:05 PM

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Hristivoje

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Just uploaded the video. Please like the video and upvote the pinned comment to build as much attraction around this as possible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDIHCSz6qRA

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07-10-2017 , 04:41 PM

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JoeyDel

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Originally Posted by SwoopAE

Email from Pokerstars coming out shortly

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07-10-2017 , 04:42 PM

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JoeyDel

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Originally Posted by Hristivoje

Just uploaded the video. Please like the video and upvote the pinned comment to build as much attraction around this as possible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDIHCSz6qRA

Really nice video mate. Well done! I will share and give your twitch stream a plug on the AOPA site later today.

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07-10-2017 , 06:56 PM

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Harambee

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Great video Pav!

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07-10-2017 , 10:27 PM

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bundy5

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Does a submission really need to be longer than 1-2 pages? You blokes that have made a submission which is longer than 2 pages have probably done yourself a disservice.

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07-10-2017 , 11:16 PM

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prettyprettygoot

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Originally Posted by bundy5

Does a submission really need to be longer than 1-2 pages? You blokes that have made a submission which is longer than 2 pages have probably done yourself a disservice.

I don't think its a bad thing as I'd assume there won't be many submissions that long. If you have an experience or argument that might not have been expressed it probably wouldn't hurt to include it as long as it isn't rambly, the more variety between submissions the better in my opinion. If everyone wrote a long submission then it might become tedious for the readers.

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07-10-2017 , 11:47 PM

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JoeyDel

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Originally Posted by bundy5

Does a submission really need to be longer than 1-2 pages? You blokes that have made a submission which is longer than 2 pages have probably done yourself a disservice.

Like everything it is good to have a varied sample.

It is about quality, not length. If you can say everything you want to say in two lines then that is all you need. If you need the full five pages take that.

I would agree that there is no need to write more for the sake of writing. I have found in my experience that some of the most powerful and emotive documents I have read have been short and succinct.

Cliff Notes - Just write as much or as little as you like. This is your submission which will be recorded on the national record forever. Put your personal footprint on it.

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07-11-2017 , 03:20 AM

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Skylarker

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Hi everyone,

I've written my submission, but I'm a little confused about something. On the parliamentary website, it says to include your contact details (ie: name, address, phone and email) but it also says they won't publish the contact details. Here's the confusion: How will they exclude my contact details if I have included them in the same document? I image they will just upload the file I send them (PDF) to their website if they decide to publish it, but if they do that, then they will be publishing my contact details, which they said they won't do. Can someone please advise what to do.

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07-11-2017 , 04:11 AM

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cbeaks

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Originally Posted by Hristivoje

Just uploaded the video. Please like the video and upvote the pinned comment to build as much attraction around this as possible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDIHCSz6qRA

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07-11-2017 , 04:51 AM

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jakedamus

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Sold

Pm ur Skype

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07-11-2017 , 05:04 AM

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prettyprettygoot

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Originally Posted by jakedamus

Pm ur Skype

This is not a good idea. It delegitimises the entire process by paying someone else to do a personal submission and will be on the public record. Are you including in the opening statement that it was actually written for you by someone else? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding and you're asking for help proof reading or something else, but is it really that hard to take the time to actually write your own submission?

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07-11-2017 , 05:23 AM

#2673

prettyprettygoot

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Originally Posted by Skylarker

If you include them in the same document put your details at the top and then make it clear when your submission begins and they should only post that part publicly.

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07-11-2017 , 05:26 AM

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jakedamus

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Was just going to give him my details and roughly my story, and he can add some stuff, I just don't have time to do it ATM sorry

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07-11-2017 , 05:58 AM

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The Imp

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Better not doing it at all than paying someone to do it for you (in my opinion).

It takes 10 mins to write a few sentences saying why you like poker, not every submission has to be an essay.

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