It's not just Australia, it would be all the other countries as well, so the market is huge. How come WPN and Ignition are still around? If they were breaking laws surely they would have been prosecuted by now.

As for risking their current licenses I would agree if they were breaking laws, but they would not be breaking any laws. If they simply offer online poker on the global internet they are not breaking any laws.

We Australians are logging into their servers situated in another country, what laws are they breaking?

All they have to say to the government is if you don't want Australians logging into our servers that are available on the global internet, then you make it illegal or sensor or block your citizens. Don't expect us to enforce laws you're not prepared to pass.

The main reason I think that they cower to these useless laws is that they think one day they are going to get a license, but it's clear as day, that is never gonna happen.

Anyways, I had my say, seems it's pointless. Let's just continue to hope and dream and wait for so called great news that never amounts to anything.

Illegal to operate without a license.
By operating in the market they break the law. Which in turn puts their licenses at risk in other markets. The fact that the law is not being enforced punitively makes no difference. The law pretty clearly states that offering such services without a license is illegal and punishable. The fact WPN and ignition etc don't care about breaking the law doesn't mean stars/party and others are going to risk way more income than they stand to gain.

I appreciate your passion, but it just isn't a reasonable ask.

Ok, then please tell what law they are breaking? I will repeat scenario once again with a bit more detail.

For eg Let's say Hypothetically Pokerstars allows Aussies to play

Pokerstars from the Isle of Man offers online poker on the "GLOBAL INTERNET" to the free people of the world. I as an Australian from Australia log onto their server in another country and begin to play, now I know I'm not breaking any laws...

So, what law(s) are they breaking? To simply say they are breaking the law doesn't mean anything, what specific law(s) are they breaking? The market is global, it is not country specific

Australia's 'Interactive Gambling Act.'

By giving Australians the ability to create and use accounts on their site, they are providing gambling services to Australians without an Australian license.

Yea Ok, got it. Will not post on this matter again

So with election day tomorrow are we going to get an update? Who is it best to vote for? Are we likely to get some good news out of this election! Etc


Would love an update on this if possible! Sure joey is busy behind the scenes and we thank him but perfect time for an update

Looking like a coalition win in the election - probably the best outcome for poker in Australia really, given the alternative

Libs win barring weirdness in prepolls.

Time to see if they're good to their word that they're in favour of legalising online poker. Joey has assured us that they are. Time to go to work.

Joey, Chris and some of our Lib guys who support the AOPA will be on this; obv i'm not on board with a ton of what the LNP stands for but if it gets online poker passed i'll tolerate boomers demanding the right that millennials pay the mortgage on their 11th house for another 3 years

We should have an update soon from Joey; I sent him a message tonight. Chris has said that the Lib #3 senator in QLD who looks likely to be elected atm is pro-online poker too which is nice. We're going to need some voices in the LNP taking our case to cabinet to make this happen since the Lib Dems (Leyonhjelm's former party; he resigned unfortunately) are unlikely to hold any seats/power after the election.

What did I say again?

Well done libs. Also strong vote in the Senate will definitely help our cause.

LNP win is notionally good for us considering AOPA say they have contacts in the party. Far from a done deal though, it remains to be seen:

1) If any/all of the voices sympathetic to us retained their seat (we already know some didn't i.e. Leyonhjelm)
2) The makeup of the crossbench which could be good or bad for us especially with a minority gov
3) The final makeup of the Senate which will be an albatross around the neck of any controversial bill which a poker bill might be

Wouldn't be counting any chickens at this point but agree the % chance of us seeing a bill passed in the next three years is slightly higher under a LNP gov

Slightly higher?

How about easily higher?

This result and the strength of the Liberal primary vote in all states apart from Victoria really bodes well for the Liberals maximising the additional numbers they will get in the Senate.

Considering too that Morrison is more of a traditional conservative as I've said before the chances that we can progress to a regulated online poker platform has never been higher.

All we need is Joey and AOPA using their contacts to get a hold of government (this will be easier if the government wins Wentworth which I think it will once we get to pre-polls and postal votes which tend to favour the conservatives given this seems to be Joey's seat) and of course pokerstars and PP to get on board to argue the case for regulation which shouldn't be hard given they can rely on what the UK state of play is and that can be replicated here.

At the end of the day, I reckon once they explain the system of regulation in the UK that the Australian government will adopt the same (even with disputes still handled in the isle of man) subject to a large fee to operate being paid to the Australian government and any kind of similar oversight that the British government has over their UK operations.

I explained in my post the reasons why it isn't substantially higher yet. The Senate was always going to be a tough proposition regardless of who won the election. If the LNP form a minority government in the lower house those issues are magnified because they can't call the shots - they need to appease the crossbench.

I don't expect the LNP to die on the hill of poker if they have to fight tooth and nail to get anything through both houses.

If they manage to win 76+ seats I think our chances go way up

Yeah it isn't up for debate they will get a majority. This was decided last night. I see them getting 78 seats definitely and potentially another 2.

From Leyonhjelm on Twitter:
“Likely outcome is Coalition 35, ALP 26, Grn 9, PHON 2, JLN 1, CA 2, AC 1.
Government can normally count on Cory (AC) while CA and JLN mostly vote left. So will regularly need PHON.”
So we really need One Nation and the Australian Conservatives to continue their support for online poker and use their leverage in the Senate to make it happen for us.

I'd need to check but there is arguably hope for a Palmer United Party candidate in Western Australia. I think this would be at the expense of a green and if this happens it makes dealing with the possible passing of amendments to the IG Act much easier.

Either way poker(online gambling) would be a the very bottom of their to do list given all the promises in the other areas of the country. Even after that for PS or PP to re-establish it could take some time.

Just keep practicing and doing what you can on WPN or Ignition guys and keep our heads up we hear the good news soon

How long till we see action on this? Massive RYE sale on atm due to scoop tempted to buy it as its on special but dont want to commit to buy a 1.4k course without knowing 100% when poker is coming back

Even if the law were passed today i'm sure it'd take a few months. We won't be at the top of their priority list, but 'in theory' the LNP supports making online poker legal now, i'm sure Joey, Chris and our other LNP contacts will be updating periodically and i'll make sure they do.

Rumours Fifield might be replaced which should be helpful I hope.

Anyone planning to play scoop should still make NZ/Thailand/etc plans and it's just a nice surprise if we get it back before then but I would not expect online poker back before 2020; but we're a good shot to get it done this term IF the LNP live up to their word (and if they don't then obviously we should be voting against them next time as 'we ran out of time' can't possibly apply since they just won a new term)

Hopefully they listen to reason, pass the legislation and we're good to go again by next year (or sooner would be cool)

on what sites can aussies still play the great game of PLO?

Not sure if GGPoker has it or not

Ignition I believe has it

Apps like Poker Master

Bitcoin sites like SWCPoker

we cant play gg

You can still play plo on ACR but you will need BC to deposit

Iggy has plo just no zoom/fast fold plo games run! 6max 25nl runs a bit! No real plo tournys however

ooorrrr can we

How, are you using a VPN?