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04-21-2020 , 06:37 PM

#26

NuklearWinter

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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson

how can a play be both ok and nitty at the same time? nitty literally means "so conservatively tight, it was NOT OK"

Not everything in poker is black and white! Just ask Doug Polk how he would play a hand

Suspicious plays at Turbo Series FT on Pokerstars?

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04-22-2020 , 12:04 AM

#27

bumpnrun

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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson

how can a play be both ok and nitty at the same time? nitty literally means "so conservatively tight, it was NOT OK"

I didn’t realise that was the definition of nitty? I thought nitty literally meant “afraid to gamble on close spots”?

Sure nits may lose tiny bits of EV but they also stop leaks folding when its bad in theory but good in practice

Hence ....all the successful nits

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04-22-2020 , 07:53 PM

#28

getmeoffcompletely

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When in doubt just say "ICM" and you can justify anything. Obvious collusion. Their winnings should be confiscated, their accounts banned, their entire stable banned etc. etc.

Unfortunately we live in the real world so nothing is actually going to happen and stables will continue to be an absolute cancer on the game.

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04-23-2020 , 05:57 AM

#29

bearer

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Originally Posted by bumpnrun

It may be somewhat tiny in multi-street spots where most people underbluff and spots do not reoccur but in short stack spots many people over-open and/or over-rejam, nitness can quickly lead to “any 2 cards pre” bonanza spots.

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04-23-2020 , 07:27 AM

#30

TonyBass

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Players who are either stable owners or horses are probably the only ones who say this is not collusion

What i think is funny is that people dont analyse way more things they need in order to see its collusion . The problem is NOT only the 2 hands mentioned. You really should see a big part of the video

Clear shamefull collusion

Done in a thought out way obviously

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04-23-2020 , 10:05 AM

#31

Eskaborr

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Originally Posted by TonyBass

What are you idiots talking about? Why would he shove J4s when his friend had T4 if they were colluding/cheating? Do you realize how much of better spots they'd potentially be giving up knowing 4 cards just to risk busting out with some very marginal spot?

Also the 58 a5 and j6 hand, this guy folded turn with top pair and two straight blockers vs button?

What I got from this video is Bruno and Zntunen are known weak nits and someone made an explo fold. or zntunen is in on it with the other two as well.

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04-23-2020 , 10:15 AM

#32

Eskaborr

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Originally Posted by getmeoffcompletely

Thank god this idiot is not in charge.

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04-23-2020 , 10:25 AM

#33

excaxante

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Originally Posted by Eskaborr

What are you idiots talking about?

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Originally Posted by Eskaborr

Thank god this idiot is not in charge.

You seem like a nice guy.

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04-23-2020 , 10:53 AM

#34

1gambler

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Originally Posted by excaxante

You seem like a nice guy.

Probably a friend.

They both haven't played any since 14th so they are probably suspended/being investigated now or they cheated so cashed out and ran off.

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04-23-2020 , 03:44 PM

#35

Kanabal18

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Got an update and stars have completed the investigation finding no player at fault it seems

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04-26-2020 , 11:44 AM

#36

Eskaborr

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Originally Posted by Kanabal18

Got an update and stars have completed the investigation finding no player at fault it seems

And nothing to say from these witch hunting scumbags in this thread? Odd.

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04-27-2020 , 08:25 AM

#37

Mimic

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Originally Posted by Eskaborr

And nothing to say from these witch hunting scumbags in this thread? Odd.

You seem a collusion master .

MOD these kinds of insults wich are more appropriate to 7 year old childs
should be banned

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04-27-2020 , 08:27 AM

#38

Mimic

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Stars did not find collusion

What a surprise !

A site that allows stables and ghosting and HU cartels , its really amazing how serious and reliable Stars is about this being fair for the avg recreational

Shocking

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04-27-2020 , 09:11 PM

#39

Eskaborr

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Originally Posted by Mimic

Collusion master... lmao... you monkeys were saying 2+2= 5 and showing proof that 2+2=4 as your evidence. Yeah it's a big conspiracy stars is letting some Brazilian bum hunting stable collude to steal your money, that's why you lose at online poker... not because you are terrible. Clown.

Difference is I'm on here hurting feelings, you pitchfork carriers were calling for somebody to be snap banned+funds stolen with terrible evidence, if anyone needs to be silenced it's you low IQ primates.

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04-28-2020 , 12:13 AM

#40

arcdog

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Originally Posted by bc11816

impossible to prove, AK is very easy to defend a fold in that spot, you would be surprised how many people fold there.

Yes I would definitely be surprised if anyone 4 handed with 21 blinds opened AK and folded to a shove by the big stack. Thats just not going to happen wtf.

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04-28-2020 , 12:50 AM

#41

GreatBigRedOne

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There is no ICM model that even approach showing this as a fold. Eskobar will be hopping in here saying KK is an ICM fold next, AA possibly. Its either collusion or AK has an enormous sample to base making a huge deviation with.

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04-28-2020 , 02:27 AM

#42

Eskaborr

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Originally Posted by GreatBigRedOne

Why are you putting words in my mouth idiot? Quote one time I mentioned it was a higher ev ICM play... I'll wait moron.

Sure won't be many people left to play vs if you ban everyone who makes a non optimal play, that's for sure.

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04-28-2020 , 03:00 AM

#43

ratslla

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Originally Posted by Mimic

In dubio pro reo.

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04-28-2020 , 05:16 AM

#44

Alex Wice

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yes its clear collusion, that hand and the next 2 hands are very suspect.

then the 4th hand when the CO has Q8 and SB has 72o , CO should open if they are colluding. the fact that they don't know this indicates they are really bad at colluding.

so just from only seeing those 4 hands i would say its a cheating level of softplay, but not holecard sharing.

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04-28-2020 , 10:32 AM

#45

TonyBass

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Originally Posted by Eskaborr

MOD , are you seeing the posts of this user ?

insult after insult . Im sure everyone in this thread thinks hes a complete total
******ed moronic idiot but nobody is saying that because people are educated
and they hope MODs solve these issues.

Or can everyone just start telling him what he really is ?

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04-28-2020 , 10:57 AM

#46

Eskaborr

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Originally Posted by TonyBass

What are you upset about sir? Say dumb things get called dumb, pretty simple. Why are you not upset that people are calling for the snap ban without any evidence of a fellow poker player? Oh yeah you are scum that's why.

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04-28-2020 , 11:26 AM

#47

whosnext

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Yes, let's everybody dial back the rhetorical insults.

(No, Eskaborr is not a "complete total ******ed moronic idiot". He is a valuable member of the 2+2 community with years of high-stakes poker-playing under his belt. His posting style is known to be very direct which sometimes offends other members which sometimes leads to insult-wars which sometimes prompts a gentle reminder from a mod to dial back the rhetorical insults.)

Last edited by whosnext; 04-28-2020 at 02:49 PM.

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04-28-2020 , 12:42 PM

#48

Shark1980

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04-28-2020 , 01:41 PM

#49

numberonedonk

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Originally Posted by Mimic

You seem a collusion master .

MOD these kinds of insults wich are more appropriate to 7 year old childs
should be banned

Imagine being a grown man and calling for mods to ban someone because of some "insults". Lol it's ****ing pathetic.

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04-28-2020 , 02:12 PM

#50

vini.barbosa

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Originally Posted by MrFabulous

What do you expect from Brazilians? I wouldn´t be surprised. Stables are bad for the economy.

Clear colluding for me. Pretty sure Pokerstars will find more evidence otherwise accounts would be already open.

What would YOU expect from Brazilians?
Im curious.

Not saying they are not colluding.
Not saying they are colluding.
I dont know this guys and I dont study enough ICM to say anything.

Just dont get your hate among brazilians.
We are a big country.
As a big country we have scumbags, but we also have good ethic people.

Would really like to understand better what you meant before, if you are so kind to explain.

Best regards,
V.

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