Were not trying to crash internet poker. Were trying to keep internet poker more legitimate. What is stopping UB from not having more superusers? We just want the internet sites that are at there to be legit. Its quality over quantity. As long as Pstars and FT are there we will be ok. Those are two quality sites that people can put their money into. I am just worried about the people that are still on UB and AP and do not even know about this scandal. Those people need to be informed about the information that is out there so they can atleast make their own decision and most likely take their money out of those sites and put them on a site they can trust. Its all about protecting the players not trying to bring internet poker down.

level?

Thanks for a great and easy-read summary. I'm not gonna play on AP or UB again, and I urge everybody else to do the same.

I think distributing this at the WSOP is a great idea. With all the poker players in town, hiring some guys to pass it out similar to the stripper coupons might be a cost effective way to spread the word.

I think scandals like this help the cause for legalizing online poker bank transactions in the US. The UIGEA was intended to protect compulsive gamblers and underage gamblers and whatnot but people would be more protected by a regulated industry than having their funds in the hands of fraudulent offshore companies such as UB.

Does this also prove the point that the RNG is uncompromised?
If RNG was rigged, there would be far easier and less detectable ways to achieve the same, Jerry Yang style.

Crappy support or slow cashouts are things that can be fixed and forgiven; looking the other way while players are robbed of hundreds of thousands of dollars is not.

Saying "online poker is already in trouble" doesn't justify accepting sites just because they advertise and get more people to play. The best thing for online poker is for its prime defenders, i.e., us, to remove themselves from scum****s like the ones behind the AP and UB disasters. And since much of the blame lies on the higher-ups at these sites, it means removing ourselves from AP and UB entirely.

Also note that UB didn't shut down the superusers. They ignored them until the AP scandal broke, at which point the superusers disappeared. If AP didn't accidentally send the superuser HH to crazymarco, it's very possible they'd still be there.

or some poor guy getting superused

Great post, I had no idea the cheating was going on at Ultimate Bet. I hope everyone who got cheated gets their money back and I hope they find the cheaters...any strategy about finding what names are behind the accounts?

I heard somewhere that the person who sent the hand history was fired from Absolute shortly after sending it. I think whoever it was knew what an important document they had their hands on and I would basically equate it to a whistle blower situation. Does anyone know anything about this?

Could be a guy tilt-shoving all-in every hand, me thinks.

I think someone should start a website that sells UB/AP is rigged shirts so that 2+2ers can wear them to every tourney event that they go to and really make a statement. Also there should be threads for every event that have a large group of people wearing these shirts getting together and going up to Hellmuth/Duke/that donk who reps AP in a line just stopping at there table and shaking hands with them or something like that to really make a statement but make sure its not in a nasty way. Just kind of like a nonviolent, peaceful protest/statement like Gahndi or MLK would do.

what a shame i loved the software on UB

Compliments to all the people who put in their efforts to bring this scandal to the surface. You have done good work for the pokercommunity

Scary to think though, when such cheating tools would get in the hands of people that are actually smart enough to control their greed in a way that they go unnoticed, yet make hundreds of thousands longterm.

Most players do not know what is going on, spread the word and hopefully these sites will die.
They are corrupt from the core.

ToT

[ ] no superuser
[ x ] it's pokergod Phil Hellmuths account

Great story!

But the link to the gmail-file doesn't seem to work for me.

A+. will probably read again due to stuff I forgt (4:20am atm). I will certainly keep up w/ this thread (hopefully) and discourage everyone I know from using UB and AP.

wsop will be the place to shame UB and AP pros.. people need to kick up a fuss..

Greed seems to be what has brought down every casino scam I've ever heard of. Slot engineers, dice controllers, card counters, etc. They all got greedy at some point and pushed their luck too far. Apparantly it's no different online. You are right, it is truly scary to think about how much damage could be done if they hadn't been so blatant about it and in the highest limit games, no less.

It is interesting to consider how many such scams are ongoing by people who are able to keep a low profile, both online and in B&M.

I'm a fairly average player myself, but surely if you can see all the cards, it might be better not closing hands down early? There could be an argument for letting the hands develop and allowing more money into the pots, then taking the ones you can. Also, I'm not sure whether we know that he had the information in front of him. He could have been getting the info fed to him, in which case he might have had to make some decisions without perfect information. On the other hand you might be right, and he could just have been a very poor player.

On another point, people keep saying Hellmuth and Duke are sponsored by the site, not just in this thread but in others. They might actually own part of it, as I have pointed out before, because Devilfish's wikipedia page claims he was offered a share in UB. This is a question they should be asked, imo, as soon as anybody has an opportunity, because it puts a slightly different slant on what is going on. It might explain why they have not distanced themselves more from UB.

Great work, OP. Excellent thread. I admit I've only skimmed through it so far, but when I have more time I'll be going back through it again.

Didn't Annie Duke go on record that she was going to get to the bottom of this?

What does she have to say now?

I am also curious to see what DN has to say about these scandals since Annie represents then and she called DN "cupboy" and "******" when he was starting out in the big-time.

There must be other cheaters out there still at these sites bcuz not everyone would be dumb enough to run 60/40 etc etc....

Oh ya lets try to get this thread to like 10 million posts, make sure everyones aware

This is an important article which everyone should read. Thanks for putting it together in a clear and easy to understand format. I followed the scandal as it broke but I had no idea about the extent of UB's involvement, and while I knew about Scott Tom's email address being implicated I didn't know anything about the server link being deleted; or anything about the accounts being altered and deleted promptly after the news of their activity was document on 2+2. Thanks for the update.

I'd love to see people wearing 'UB/AP Rigged' shirts at the WSOP, especially if there was a likelihood of being seated next to Hellmuth or Duke.

One thing I note of interest is that both sites mentioned in the article (as well as Full Tilt Poker) are all overseen by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission.

Surely they have to have an opinion about what's going on.

While UB and AP may have had super user accounts, Full Tilt no longer offers players a way to obtain immediate withdrawal of winnings from their site.

Could any or all of these events be related? Is FTP trying to shore up loopholes or are they clinging on to your money?

Food for thought. Thank you to the OP for the article.