Youll get more teal and pink haired emojis.

Im at a crossroads on whether to side with Limon or everyone else haha dude makes some solid arguments

Correct.

The fact that this sophisticated hacker played at low stakes (and like a moron) would make it likely that there was much higher limit cheating by smarter people, and this dope just learned from one of his buddies.

The fact that this comes as a surprise to anyone blows my mind

I wonder if we will soon hear from one of GG's ambassadors:
"More hacking is better!"

Posted the same 25 of dec. I sent the information to support on the same day and asked to check the handhistory. But nobody carried. The account wasn't even frozen.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...68&postcount=1

Some people don’t see the scam, others just don’t care. Until there is a big noise, until famous players start writing, until 100+ reports arrive on the account, nothing seems to happen.

Fyp Eddie the Goat

*logs on to GG poker* Almost half a million players online playing right now. Easy win for Limon. Majority of poker players are freaking idiots there's no question about it. And the last sentence of his above comment on this page pretty much proves his point perfectly and I quote "If you’re playing in a grey market site you get what you deserve you idiots"

Not mention all the historic evidence proving the same thing...

People only bagging on Limon cause the truth always hurts.

Cheers!!!

Let them, any fool that has heard the news and continues to deposit any meaningful money on a site that had a poor response to someone superusing on their site,clearly deserves to be parted with their money.

Inadequate response imo.

They first need to say objectively that all-in equity or any other data that would leak private holecard data is never shared to clients prematurely. It seems like they have swept this under the rug with a "oh the client is patched now it's harder to read the packet" but the information can still be received.

Second they need to look at all of Taker's wins and refund players fairly. Refunding $30k only is bullshit.

Third they need to show an analysis of all other accounts winning at high levels and go after that too and give a report on that. In theory they should have logs to know when all-in equity was requested by the client.

yeah and if its it like even 1/10 regs who are superusers which seems INSAAAAAAANNNNNNEEEELLYYYYY high

EVEN IF....

they would most likely still be playing in ways that are logical as to not be found out

like not making insane hero calls with K hi or turning TP's into bluffs in spots that make no sense etc.

Or 3betting and tripling jamming riv w/worst blocker busted nfd combos etc etc

so they could only gain so much ev vs you even as superusers unless they want to get caught

so a **** reg superuser might go from -2bb to what 8bb? that extra 10bb etc so every 10 regs 1 makes an extra 10bb which this winrate is shared among all players at the table not like your winrate drops 10bb from this

so as long as youre profiting nicely it really doesnt matter unless it becomes an absolute infestation of regs who dont care if they get caught

and if this does happen they either fix it or you guys play somewhere else, ez

Save your time and don't respond to posts that will be deleted from this thread anyway.

Because I've been asked: Yes, the user jb` was (temp-)banned by Mason, probably for arguing with him in this thread. Just keep in mind that Mason is the former owner of this website and still has the ability to ban people whenever he sees fit.

To summarize: Don't argue with limon, don't argue with Mason.

Been playing for too long and I have always known online poker was sketchy as ****. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Been there when the UB scandal happened. Didn't surprise me then. People will continue to play online poker because it's convenient and the alternatives for them just doesn't exist or appeal to them as much.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=5239

some of the other cheaters are linked in the op for cash games, what about tournaments?

they already admitted to cheating spin n gos and had to issue refund.

oh heres 29k all isssues are fixed, yea right.

i know you are reading this GG staff, start looking for another job.

I think sites like PokerStars and Party which have been around a long time and are super regulated are pretty safe. But there's pretty much no reason to trust GG Poker, and a lot of reasons not to trust it.

It is still less cheating online than live poker.

am I missing something or does GG's public response post tacitly admit that if anyone else figured out this exploit and blocked updates to their modded client they can continue superusing unless/until they too are detected and outed by the community?

Yeah, you think so?

??? did not get that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greatest_of_All_Time

Yikes that is not looking good.

Regarding client- or server side calculations of all-in EV, both of these options seem terribad to me:

1) Calculate server side. Either taking folded cards into account, or don't. Send to client prior to action ending.

2) Calculate server side. Taking folded cards into account. Send to client after action has ended.

The first one is obvious. Especially in the light of this scandal. That sort of sensitive, critical even, information has no business travelling over wires.

The second one is bad because it leaks information about other players' hole cards unnecessarily. And in the name of what - giving players a shiny and fun little percentage widget in the client?

The only reasonable way to go about this is to calculate client side, using only card information that has been revealed to the player. Consider an extreme example: It is three handed and the button opens. Small blind three bets, big blind four bet shoves. Button folds. Sb calls, holding JJ. Big blind holds AA and before the board runs out, a percentage is shown for either player. Would it not be terribly weird and bad if sb's odds were shown as 4.5% (rather than 19.5%) because button also folded JJ? For all JJ sb knows, they have 19.5% so what good could it possibly do anyone to show the redux number?

They already published another blog post to hide the scandal lol

Pretty much yeah. They say the fix was published on December 16th (still unclear why they didn't ban moneytaker then?) but he was still playing more than a week after the "fix".

So I guess anyone else cheating in the same way is still doing it without problems?

Staggering ineptitude from GG to have this information in the client at all, and of course it is extremely unlikely this was a one-off.

"You should never trust the client" - It's the first rule of making an online game, let alone a freaking real money gambling site!

Playing there now is perhaps worse than playing on UB or Absolute post scandal. At least there it was an inside job with bad actors - this is a site seemingly without the first clue how to safeguard their gameplay, open to hacking by anyone who fancies a quick look at the network traffic! And holy ****, they patched the client but the superuser continued as they couldn't detect / prevent connections from a home made client?! And they "knew" by then, but didn't ban the cheater?!

The apology is awful too. I like how they push "Don't worry, he could never actually see your hole cards!" as if that makes it alright that they could see you were 2% to win on the turn.

Also, the blog about this is only on the US site - here in the UK when trying to click the links here, you're redirected to .co.uk version of the site which has no posts on this on their version of the blog. Probably the same applies in every other jurisdiction.