Hi ,

Just to SUM up things and my thoughts for what they are worth:

1. The main problem here is not the hack - he could see the EV and this is enough to know if you win or lose the hand. He did it by examining packets ... I wonder where he got this idea ;-). The main problem is the fact that GG was and still clueless about security status of their game and players. In perfectional cyber terms they lack the VISIBILITY they need to detect such things.

2. The community must demand FULL disclosure , unfortunately, I know for a fact that the pros and GG will try to burry this story , When i published my article some of the GG pros ( I will not name names , but i have the messages kept) asked me what +EV do I have from publishing such thing. I found it very strange and troubling ...

3. This player got caught thanks to the community and information sharing. If someone smart is still doing such cheats It will take a little bit more than just information sharing to catch...

These things will always happen, its almost impossible to fully protect such application. GG should disclose the full protection plan as well as what measures are being deployed on the fraud / cheat detection and why they did not work on that case.

Thanks ,
Eddie.

But is he supersing on Stars as well? There in the middle i can see a couple of hands played on Stars

They did not know anything about that , when i published my findings they also said we knew about it for 6 months but we did not want to take action so far....

they did not know about it . They have 0 visibility and they will not admit that.

They'd have to work around the issue they have with deposit limits too, though. Especially for people in countries without p2p transfers. And that seems impossible with all the nonsensical regulations nowadays.

The ODDS are calculated at the server and sent to the client as percentages. The client does not calculate the odds. By tapping the network he could detect the percentages sent prior to card revealing

GG hands converted to PS hands to be readable in traditional form

6th pair made my day

I dont get why online sites don't screen for biggest winners (and losers for money laundering purposes) to scrutinize their actual hand histories.

the sad thing is those that actually did not want to get caught could have known about this leak and milking the GG poker world at a more respectable hourly to just be in for the long grind.


I also wonder if this leak was possible with other clients from paradise poker to present day.

It’s damage control. They don’t want to let everyone know they were completely compromised.

29k was probably just what was left in the players account for them to seize

Crypto deposits are not the issue here. Main issue is that stars are trying to do everything the legal way. They do not operate in grey market areas anymore. GG on the other hand is happy to provide serivces in China and many other countries.

Or him and his friends already made so much money fleecing a pokersite with poor security that the 29k meant next to nothing to them.

Cant wait for Negreanu to come out and say “more superusers are better”.

You're right, but how do GG get away with it?

You really expect a breakdown on international law?

They probably just give the right politcians a cut so they dont go after them.

thanks, makes sense now, thanks for the article you put out almost a year ago that didnt get any traction, i did read it but im too stupid to understand any of it at the time and i guess it was passed off as a nothing even though it was an everything.

if its happening on gg poker, im scared to think what might be happening on unregulated sites...

we need a site for the people, built by the people!!!!

Because of the addicted players.

its hilarious 20k still running after this flaw... i wouldnt even fire 2nl out of principle now. i hope we can boycott this sector, we need to make it ours, **** the governments!

https://pokerfuse.com/news/poker-roo...curity-breach/

Very true along with what I said above with ridiculous deposit limits players have. The worst part is that these regulations do a lot more to hurt players than help, both in the crypto space and with poker. It's just dumb.

1) Bribery happens everyday.
2) High stake poker players and majority of poker players in general are pretty naïve and stupid outside of being good-great at poker. Just gotta look at their worldly views on any given topic not poker strategy or related to see this.

Also there's a lot of Dnegs cucks out there. So GG easily gets away with it.

EDIT: As of posting this edit currently almost 300k online playing at GG. Majority of poker players are outright morons.

Cheers!!!

Saying that this "DOES happen on every site" is pretty absurd, as if there's not a one huge site out there who takes their security and game integrity as serious as possible.

Even if you assume these security/software leaks are always somehow possible (which I doubt), to think that stars internal game security team wouldn't notice something as obvious as someone with a huge VPIP having an astronomical winrate and identify and minimize the issue themselves quickly, then you don't understand how serious of a security team they have. GG would have never done a single thing if regs didn't identify the problem AND post about it publicly. There's a huge difference there. One site cares about this stuff (a lot) and one obviously doesn't give a ****.

Great article and LMAO at GG's response. This is a huge issue in itself (regardless of this superuser and whether his hack/cheat is related to the same issue) and the fact that GG brush it off is ludicrous. With this its extremely easy to cheat almost anyone who isnt cyber security savvy by targeting their router/network.

Every smart poker client out there calculates the all-in odds client side.

So he binks a tourney for 46k, than wins thousands of hands he shouldn't have gg's response to this all is "we were only able to confiscate 29k so thats all your getting back guys". Are we supposed to believe that only 1 out of 7 billion people and Eddie found this exploit? They are paying shills like Negraenu millions of dollars yet they can't reimburse the players effected properly? I mean this is ultimatebetx2 exactly unravelling. Have someone cheating, do damage control, minimize and downplay the cheating, and don't reimburse players fully. There was only 1 player who blatanly was obviously cheating, imagine the people who have common sense and can mask it and have common sense to only win 20bb/100 or just bink 1 big tourney per account? No 3rd party investigation no nothing, just a weak ass statement and a push to sweep everything under the rug, shows how they conduct business at GGpoker.

Nice write up. Two questions:

1. Do you think the system pokerstars has in place is better?

2. Why do you note name the players?