What are you talking about? The guy calls a shove on the turn with J high and that is normal for you? He bet the turn small because he was ahead, he didnt think the other guy will jam and when he did he knew he was ahead so easy call getting more than enough pot odds to call even if he is only sligthly ahead.

Then you mention 85o and say sort of similar when he calls a huge shove on the river when he knows he is 100% winning the hand? What is similar about this? Calling a shove on the river when you know you are winning is similar to calling a shove on the turn?

22 expert analysis is now "spite call"?

Come on guys, stop embarassing yourself by saying you need more evidence lol

Try go and make plays like this and let us know how many bb/100 you will be winning if you don't see other players cards.

Thanks for reminding me why i haven't posted on 2p2 in years. Read my post. I didn't say it was normal.

Hi Mason,

Consider posting the actual technique here, I think it would be good marketing for your book.

I assume this is pretty simple math and your book has much more to offer than that so it would be a good tease.

Btw it’s important to note:
Assuming the alleged cheater is cheating,
1) they don’t seem to care about concealing their cheating - either their motive isn’t money or they don’t have the poker skill/knowledge to understand why their play is outrageously suspicious

2) They clearly aren’t trying to hide (I would hope from their play, lol) - so it doesn’t seem intentional but someone more experienced at poker could win way more if they have access to all hole cards (or especially run outs) if they have 0 goal of remaining undetected.
As others said this means not getting it in preflop or whatever for example. But possible it’s seeing future cards and not hole cards, or if hero’s hand will be good at showdown, sth like that

I would guess the ceiling for bb/100 is significantly more then 100bb/100 as ridic as that may sound

bunch of bull comments in here, but this seems to me sufficient information to have GG research it, and take appropriate action.
I am not a pro, but would love to hear GG opinion on this.

Is there no moderation here anymore? Is this a lifetime deal for old man Mason with the new owners, allowing him to pollute threads pluging his new books in NVG all the time without any consequences?

Anyone else doing this would get banned in a hurry. Please go away now.

According to OP, they already are.

Robbi cheated!!

No. For years I didn’t publicly discuss this technique because knowledge of it could help someone defeat it. But since I don’t think the expanded version of my gambling theory book will be widely read I decided to include a chapter on it. But posting it here I don’t think is positive.

Mason

crazy that GG take no action when facing this insane stats

You don’t need to sign your moronic posts, your name is in bright red letters right next to them.

Gamble on this? Or stfu.

Apathy

Loool you remind me of that guy on Joe Rogan who told everyone he had solved the theory of everything, and then didn't share the complete thing... Jesus Christ either improve the thread by doing the math or don't talk about your book. No one is going to hide their superuser status based on knowledge of your math that is a ridiculous notion. It's already fairly easy to survive scrutiny as a superuser if you have a working brain, your math isn't going to change that.

Except that I said I would share the information with the poker site and that once the book is published I plan to give it away for free.

MM

It's absolutely unreal that sites doesn't have basic triggers to flag accounts based on basic stats. It literally requires a little amount of work and it would yield the most results

I am sorry but I really doubt GG needs your input, they already have their own standard operating procedures, most likely your mail is going to end in their trash bin.
If they feel that improvements needs to be made on the statistical models they use to catch cheaters they will hire professional statisticians and/or data scientists, who knows what you know + possibly more given that you are retired

Im just want to say thank you for "Malmuth-Harville ICM Model" !

I assume that along with the ridiculous J high calls, he never makes those calls while behind? Otherwise he'd just be a losing fish that occasionally gets bluffed and autocalls everything and wins some of the hands

With all due respect Mason, how does claiming you found a revolutionary method to detect cheating - but refusing to elaborate further and just shilling your new book - contribute to this thread? You said yourself you plan on releasing the book for free on Kindle. Any cheater capable of using the information you provide to avoid detection is also surely capable of just downloading your book, so posting the information publicly here would make no difference in that regard. This case would be a perfect opportunity for you to test your method and I'm sure many of us would be interested in hearing your analysis. As it stands, however, you're just derailing this thread for the purpose of self-promotion, which is rather shameless and unbecoming.

the fact that you think 90bb/100 over 9k hands can be a statistical anomaly from an obvious losing strategy player, makes me question your math and poker knowledge.
show your math otherwise you are not adding anything to the thread.

Clearly this cheater can see the opponent's cards but doesn't know how to play poker. Plays any two to see a flop, bets 1bb when he's ahead because opponent's will eventually raise and makes impossible calls on rivers when he knows he has the best hand.

Ran with no variance and started at lowest stakes to quickly increase bankroll to play at higher limits.

Those winrates are absurd.

So much for not allowing players to use huds and in the end we have to resort to datamined hands.
No faith in GG anymore, hopes this is the end for them and their rake trap.

Hi All ,

My Name is Eddie Harari and I am the one wrote the article on GG networking security hole:

https://cardplayerlifestyle.com/ggne...-player-names/

I had a few meetings with technical people from GG team and i have sent them email about the ability to view hole cards in certain conditions ( I had the ability to see hole cards in NEAR real time ).

I also told GG about the possibility about such incident and I was more concerned about the fact that they are not monitoring the action as they claim to do, I also offered to help them with real data monitoring and RTA detection.

Their response was: Thank you but we know what we are doing , they were more concerned about fishing sites then discovering cheaters in the software.

I think it is very likely that this "hack" is one of two options:

1. Superuser like activity - GG networking has a "back-door" to view hole cards in real time.
2. Race condition in the Craft interface - Viewing live cards of all the players via the CRAFT interface.

I have sent GG networking a proof of concept where i can view cards about 5 seconds after the hand is over / this includes hole cards of all players (even the people who mucked) I also told them that I suspect that given a little time and research I may gain the ability to beat the 5 seconds and see the hole cards in real time.

GG dismissed my claims and told me they are monitoring all players and such incident can't happen on their site.

> fishing sites then discovering

Boom goes your credibility.

> I have sent GG networking a proof of concept where i can view cards about 5 seconds after the hand is over

Make a video, post to YouTube if screencapping is within your technical abilities.

So, it seems this has been going on for a long time. Only things that made it possible to detect this Moneytaker were datamining and his incompetence in understanding poker and how suspicious his plays would seem. Quite possibly some more poker experienced accounts have been raking (tens?) of millions using the same security holes. Good game GG, not gonna play there ever.

Oh hi…

Can you please post your correspondence and the response, Eddie?

…and amazing article you wrote previously.

Thanks,
tn