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12-29-2023 , 09:27 PM
that moneytaker guy looks like a whitehat hacker if were being honest. all that moneys going to get returned
he made it so obvious on purpose maybe.

we dont know if he cashed it out. maybe hes a hero!
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12-29-2023 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by donkatruck
How the hell would that feature capture hole cards or equity? That makes no sense.
it utilized Adobe Air which allowed the executable to be modified in such a way that the equities could be intercepted. the actual emote feature had nothing to do with the security flaw.
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12-29-2023 , 09:40 PM
damn these accounts are slowly coming out , in before more and more are found
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12-29-2023 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MastaAces
it utilized Adobe Air which allowed the executable to be modified in such a way that the equities could be intercepted. the actual emote feature had nothing to do with the security flaw.
Misunderstanding me. Why on earth would that data be sent to the client with action pending. I haven't written significant code in damn near 25 years and I'd never design such a thing. If they managed to hire complete morons to code any audit or review of the code should catch this. The whiteboard where they did day one design should have 70 point on top the client only knows what the player should know.

I also find it amusing one of the example hands was J high just like Robi and if true the accusation against Robi was she was signalled ahead or not but able to know hole cards.
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12-29-2023 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MoViN.tArGeT
that moneytaker guy looks like a whitehat hacker if were being honest. all that moneys going to get returned
he made it so obvious on purpose maybe.

we dont know if he cashed it out. maybe hes a hero!
Did we get a confirmation on the dates? Looking at the leaderboards posted in the GG thread it seems possible this was an team that was churning accounts every 15k hands or so and “only” winning at a 20bb/100 clip in an attempt to fly under the radar. GG security patches the vulnerability on the 16th and potentially this is just the last account that hasn’t reset the client and is on the old patch. The team knows the jig is up so they just go full full smash and grab in an attempt to pull as much as they can from the site before they have to restart their computer or w/e. They start at lower stakes because they don’t want to risk moving funds into the site.
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12-29-2023 , 10:11 PM
GG poker: “we have investigated ourselves and found we are safer than ever!”
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12-29-2023 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by GustavGanz
Let's not ignore this, this might be a serious problem...
Those stats make it look as if they're all the same player. There's no way to see when the hands were played?
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12-29-2023 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by AceJacko
Did we get a confirmation on the dates? Looking at the leaderboards posted in the GG thread it seems possible this was an team that was churning accounts every 15k hands or so and “only” winning at a 20bb/100 clip in an attempt to fly under the radar. GG security patches the vulnerability on the 16th and potentially this is just the last account that hasn’t reset the client and is on the old patch. The team knows the jig is up so they just go full full smash and grab in an attempt to pull as much as they can from the site before they have to restart their computer or w/e. They start at lower stakes because they don’t want to risk moving funds into the site.
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12-29-2023 , 10:40 PM
Well, GG poker will never get a cent from me, disturbing reading
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12-29-2023 , 10:45 PM
There was a thread a few weeks or a month ago about lb bots that were banned when we pointed them out.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ht=leaderboard

are these possibly the same accounts?

There's this which I believe all were banned. a stable making non human decisions in the Ontario regulated ring fence market that appear to be ran by ggpoker.ca themselves and now this.
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12-29-2023 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw
GG poker: “we have investigated ourselves and found we are safer than ever!”
I wouldn’t not have to agree with you there.
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12-29-2023 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by tmanto
Hi Mason, I (almost certainly) have more of a background in statistics than you do. In the future, why not just do the actual analysis and present the results? You have all the necessary information in the post, and even a napkin analysis would've told you something out of line was going on here. You'd need tens of millions of very active players on the site to expect to see a result like this. I don't think this type of comment adds anything to the discussion.
The chapter https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=281, against my better judgement, from my book has been posted:

Curious as to what your statistical background is?

Mason
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12-29-2023 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MoViN.tArGeT
There was a thread a few weeks or a month ago about lb bots that were banned when we pointed them out.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ht=leaderboard

are these possibly the same accounts?

There's this which I believe all were banned. a stable making non human decisions in the Ontario regulated ring fence market that appear to be ran by ggpoker.ca themselves and now this.
They're not the same names.

It would be really hard for a team of people to all play 26 vpip, 19 pfr, 9 3bet. Easy for a bot though, I guess.

That would be something, a superuser bot. Since these are hackers, it's a possibility...
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12-29-2023 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
The chapter https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=281, against my better judgement, from my book has been posted:

Curious as to what your statistical background is?

Mason
nothing you posted are things most of us as poker players dont understand - yes we know someone needs to be the luckiest. We have played with the variance calculators. We get it. Where is your math that shows the probability of his winrate over sample size? Im on board with him being 1 in a billion or even 10 billion. Where is your math to show the probability.

Also his name is moneytaker69. You keep blatantly ignoring this lmfao
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12-29-2023 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Wice
Inadequate response imo.



They first need to say objectively that all-in equity or any other data that would leak private holecard data is never shared to clients prematurely. It seems like they have swept this under the rug with a "oh the client is patched now it's harder to read the packet" but the information can still be received.



Second they need to look at all of Taker's wins and refund players fairly. Refunding $30k only is bullshit.



Third they need to show an analysis of all other accounts winning at high levels and go after that too and give a report on that. In theory they should have logs to know when all-in equity was requested by the client.
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12-29-2023 , 11:10 PM
His name is "generic poker screen name". You keep blatantly ignoring this lmfao
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12-29-2023 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
The chapter https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=281, against my better judgement, from my book has been posted:

Curious as to what your statistical background is?

Mason
https://www.primedope.com/poker-variance-calculator/

Im getting a 99.99% probability of loss over 15000 hand sample assuming a 50vpip that bet-calls off J hi w/no equity at -25bb/100 longterm which is probably way too generous

.01% chance to "win"

His winrate is 90bb

where is your math?

Last edited by p0ker_n00b; 12-29-2023 at 11:17 PM.
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12-29-2023 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by H.O.R.S.E.
His name is "generic poker screen name". You keep blatantly ignoring this lmfao
I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul

its the most perfect trollish name you could pick for someone who is going to blatantly super use you sweet summer child



just a random image of lotta screen names literally how do you tie your shoes
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12-29-2023 , 11:14 PM
all poker is about taking money, it is nothing about being a superuser

just search moneytaker on sharkscope and see how many different players show up
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12-29-2023 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by y2da
Posted the same 25 of dec. I sent the information to support on the same day and asked to check the handhistory. But nobody carried. The account wasn't even frozen.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...68&postcount=1

Some people don’t see the scam, others just don’t care. Until there is a big noise, until famous players start writing, until 100+ reports arrive on the account, nothing seems to happen.
and you found a bot ring the month before lmao. your literally proven more effective then their security and you were ignored. I think gg poker needs to hire some actual winning poker players or something. this isn't it cheif
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12-29-2023 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by AllBlackDan
Well, GG poker will never get a cent from me, disturbing reading
I agree with first part. It’s hard to say it’s disturbing though as if we are reading about an orphanage getting swept away in a tornado.

People impacted are those who knew the obvious risks. The only shocking part is that it took so long.
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12-29-2023 , 11:26 PM
Don't worry they'll hire nanonoko and change nothing.

These sites know there are no alternatives and so they do the minimum they can. When we actually do the legwork for them, they do the minimum and issue a statement saying "we here at X take Y seriously" and go back to doing the minimum.
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12-29-2023 , 11:27 PM
im pretty convinced at this point players have found more cheaters then the actual security of these sites. They should probably um start listening to us
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12-29-2023 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
The chapter https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=281, against my better judgement, from my book has been posted:

Curious as to what your statistical background is?

Mason
Didn't Bart Hansen already expose your garbage book on how to beat low stakes poker which is full of some of the worst hand histories I've ever seen ? Can the mods please tell this idiot to stop spamming shills about his book no one cares about, the book is useless in this case since any real poker player can easily see this is the most blatant cheating of all time.
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12-29-2023 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by p0ker_n00b
https://www.primedope.com/poker-variance-calculator/

Im getting a 99.99% probability of loss over 15000 hand sample assuming a 50vpip that bet-calls off J hi w/no equity at -25bb/100 longterm which is probably way too generous

.01% chance to "win"

His winrate is 90bb

where is your math?
Okay, His win rate per 100 hands is 90bb.

Do you know what his standard deviation per 100 hands is? I bet you don't. Or did I miss something?

And then given that you know his standard deviation per 100 hands, what's the ratio of his win rate divided by that standard deviation? Then once you have this you can decide if this ratio looks (way) out of line (and in my book there are guidelines for this).

Also, just to point out, the best way that I know of to estimate his standard deviation per 100 hands is to compute the maximum likelihood estimator for the standard deviation, and to do this you would need to know his results for each session played and the number of hands he played in each session (and exactly how to do this is again given in my book).

It's a lot of calculations, but a poker site with lots of programmers should have no trouble answering these questions.

And there's your math.

MM
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