You havent read or watched much quality content on this matter have you

Exactly.

What the guys on this thread dont understand is that pokerstars is the one site out there that makes decisions that are good for poker overall.

Is it doesnt suite them bad luck.

A skill game? If it is a skill game then your measure of success would be moving up the stakes and beat the higher levels.

This turned into volume game where the rakeback structure and 3rd party tools enabled to extract thin value by the high volume players from the microstakes already. Not for the high skill players.

It's still a game and far too many people try to make it a job. It is time to find a real one for many.

Exactly. That's what needs to happen. People ITT seem to think that Amaya is going to come crawling on their knees after a 7 day sit-out. They don't give a ****. Dnegs doesn't give a ****. Nobody gives a ****. Just go away. PokerStars is not what it used to be. It's been swallowed up by a soulless corporation and they're not going to suddenly develop a conscience because a few people stamp their feet and cry. There are many thousands of rec players that have no idea what is going on and they are going to keep playing the micros regardless.

Take a look at the tournament schedule and you will see who they are aiming at.

If you can't answer the question maybe you shouldn't reply.

sad but true, but we should still give them as much bad pr as possible though

If you dont/cant read a thread properly dont bother to post

Watch the Joey/ansky podcast if words are too hard for you

So lets give them a month long boycott and achieve something ffs. I'm still supporting this anyway but don't see why the slow progression which imo isn't going to achieve a thing.

This x 1000

Someone give this man a medal

More or less yes a joke. Was playing devils advocate to see what people thought. And while I do think the 7 day strike wont have much effect, if there are plans for a bigger strike like one month why would we not make it for now?

Rather than propose 7 days in Jan, 10 days in feb, and 30 days in march, we should do one month+ NOW. Because come Feb or March Amaya may not need to look back on this issue. Thats the way I see it anyways

You are wrong AllBlackDan. These changes from PokerStars have absolutely zero effect on the individual player's skill element involved in the poker games on Pokerstars. They do however have an effect on many player's ability to win $ from the games. You seem to have a problem differentiating between the two from some of your comments in this thread.

Thats funny I thought the way to tell who is skillful is to look at the people who win money?

If its harder to win money, its harder display skill is it not?

Lowering rewards is an effective rake increase, thus making it harder to win money

Eventually rake will be unbeatable (some games are on the brink already) and games and the site will die out

Its not just these latest changes Im pissed off about

Its the whole disgusting corporate package

The constant bsing to us by their pr machine, them packaging damaging changes as "good for the ecology"

Its just all bull**** and just mega greed trying to milk every cent to pay back their ridiculous debt at the expense of us players and it makes me sick

They are killing poker as a game of skill slowly but surely (not even that slowly anymore) imo

Morans who think any of these Amayastars changes over the last 2 years are good for any players are infuriating and flat out deluded or shills

Ive withdrawn my whole roll already and wont play on Stars again untill I see some good changes back in the player's favour (so I'll probably never be back) from this sickening incompetent company

GG Pokerstars from me, please some other sites pick up your game

Looks like 888 is targeting recs and not regs too:

http://www.pokerupdate.com/news/netw...asual-players/

In a game raked so high where no one won money from the game the players who lost the least amount of money would more than likely be the most skilled poker players in that game.

The lowering of rewards at the top is an effective rake increase for those players that previously achieved that VIP status. If anything the win rates or loss rates, however you want to look at them, will be a more accurate indicator of player skill under the "new" PokerStar's model than the "old" model.(Players now being effectively raked closer to the same on average regardless of volume)

Whether or not the games are beatable or not is irrelevant to that fact. It's Ok to be on the side against these changes. Just realize what you're fighting for and word it a bit differently because these changes have zero effect on the edge or skill differential between the various players on the site.

I get your point but its just lol semantic irrelevance, poker is about winning money

Last post itt from me gl all

The concept in the ads sounds moronic.

And did the paid ad written about the tv ads really say that the ads show people moving/transitioning away from the game to other things? Sounds like a great idea for an ad.

Right, defend a point with blind ignorance and no reason, then fall back on the "it doesn't matter" stance when you've been crushed. GG

I haven't seen them but the concept that *being* a poker player carries over into an approach to other areas of life is good. That's what makes it a positive sum game. I don't think the idea is they transition from playing poker 24/7 to dancing 24/7 but yes it's a bad choice of words.

The problem is that by that metric, rake free spin n goes would be a high skill format with lots of people making money. Giving certain players off the table bonuses based on volume is an equally arbitrary way to determine the winners.