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Not sure I agree that it's the nitty unimaginative players that help the game go. They have no special property about keeping games running. In fact, nitty players tend to hate playing shorthanded and get games going, or will sit out if it gets too short. The action players will be happy to run the game short to get things going and will stay late into the night and play.

In rooms with enough action to keep the game running round the clock and expands/contracts games as demand comes and goes, they serve no purpose at all.

I agree with what you're saying. But tight players do make up a lot of the players in poker games, and you only need one or two really bad players to make a game worth playing.

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08-21-2023 , 01:15 AM

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Then it's a common problem. Because the gap between the biggest game without a straddle and the next bigger on (with a straddle) is too large.

how is that a problem for poker overall? it might be a problem for people trying to work their way up through the ranks but that's the minority of players and has always been a reality of live poker. once you get past 5/10 or so depending on location, games are usually uncapped and play way bigger than cap games. games also don't run nearly as often at bigger stakes, seats are harder to get, you're going to want to play much longer hours in good big games etc. Things change a lot so if you plan to work your way up you need to be prepared for that. If people expect incrementally bigger games without straddles, 200 blind caps etc they're in for rude awakening.

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08-21-2023 , 02:11 AM

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In my games the best players are happy to play short, but the worst players mostly are not.

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08-21-2023 , 02:15 AM

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You're playing in a very different poker ecosystem than I am, but you're assuming everyone's is identical.

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08-21-2023 , 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks

Yeah I’m not surprised you missed the main point which is that it’s going to be counterproductive to what you want accomplished

When faced with spots like this I think it’s good to think a little about how respected and successful pros would handle the situation.

Sorry but I can’t envision guys like Schulman, Rast, Kornuth, Ausmus etc calling people out. In fact I’m pretty sure they would be more apt to defend the person called out.

Lead by positive example, be fun to play with, ..no one is going to appreciate an off duty cop disquised in skinny jeans and a scarf

The actual "respected pros" that fun players WANT/accept to play with (Dwan, Robl etc) do whatever they can to keep nitregs out of their games, so yea they do call out shitty behavior from regs as much as possible.

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08-21-2023 , 03:22 AM

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Maybe you just don't get it.

You calling him out might be a bigger problem then the nit reg who isn't straddling in the first place! That is what makes the game more serious and less fun for everyone involved. You are attitude is what leads too...

player #1 (Keba) "everyone is straddling, yada yada..."

player #2 (nitreg) " I don't want to straddle, for .......reason"

player #3 (either Keba or another player) "but then you have an advanatage, yada , yada. .05 bb/10 hands at 15 hands an hour , you get a $7.65 an hour advantage

Lol what a strawman. Of course if done like that it ruins the vibe, I would never do that. I would just say something like "Dude, everyone except you have been straddling a lot, how about put one on for the good of the game" And then if he doesnt I would just say something along the lines of "well you are a nit so Im not surprised" and move on. Chances are unless hes an extreme boring nit reg he will straddle a few times from now on and if not then the fun players know that he is a nit with a tighter range and are less likely to stack off against him.

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08-21-2023 , 04:46 AM

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IMO saying these things should get you thrown out of the room. That's about as acceptable to me as another player standing getting up, standing behind you, and telling another player "he's bluffing".

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08-21-2023 , 05:03 AM

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Well it wont. its not that egregious. He could try to call the floor over it but then he will just give off even worse nit vibes than he already was and at worst Ill get a warning and mission accomplished already. I would never do this to anyone who isnt already a lousy company nitreg obviously.

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08-21-2023 , 08:18 AM

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Please don't do that. Please don't do any of that. Ask if he wants to straddle, once, remind people that do want to straddle that it's their turn, but going beyond that is you trying to manipulate people in uncomfortable and inappropriate ways when they've told you what they're going to do.

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08-21-2023 , 10:02 AM

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I dont really care if that someone is in no mood to make the game fun in any way. Engrossed in an app game, water bottle, never says a word, 10% VPIP, the usual package.

Pretty obvious who on 2+2 are nitregs.

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08-21-2023 , 11:44 AM

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You're not entitled to demand that they change any of that. Water bottle? You have an issue with people hydrating at the tables? Do you think you're entitled to play against dehydrated players?

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08-21-2023 , 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kebabkungen

I'm not a nit, but I'm guessing that if I sat at a table with you, I would find you lousy company. Different people enjoy different table behavior, just like different people like playing in different kinds of games. You guys are assuming that everyone (or at least all bad players) enjoy the company of the same kinds of people, and the same types of games, AND that every winning player will do best in the same types of games. I believe neither are true.

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08-21-2023 , 12:56 PM

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You're not entitled to demand that they change any of that. Water bottle? You have an issue with people hydrating at the tables? Do you think you're entitled to play against dehydrated players?

You know what I mean. Somone who comes to a late night game where people are drinking and having fun and just views the entire game as a job. Water bottle is just part of it.

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08-21-2023 , 01:05 PM

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Sorry, I'm always thirsty, and mom always told me to drink a lot of water!

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08-21-2023 , 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kebabkungen

Bullying a quiet player who it otherwise polite and minding their own business is almost never going to make the game more "fun".

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08-22-2023 , 09:06 AM

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"Bullying" lol. How sheltered is your life?

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08-22-2023 , 09:54 AM

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Who cares what you call it, bullying, browbeating, manipulating, just stop doing it.

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08-22-2023 , 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kebabkungen

"Bullying" lol. How sheltered is your life?

It doesn’t matter what you call it; it is asbolutely not “fun” to start criticizing the way another player chooses to play (as long as they are being respectful and not cheating or anything).

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08-22-2023 , 12:40 PM

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You should basically treat putting straddles on like Tom Sawyer did painting the fence.

“Look guys how much fun these straddles are”

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08-22-2023 , 12:50 PM

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Who cares what you call it, bullying, browbeating, manipulating, just stop doing it.

No. Stop being an antisocial shitreg in games where all the other players want to have fun but you treat it like a job.

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08-22-2023 , 12:53 PM

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No. Stop being an antisocial shitreg in games where all the other players want to have fun but you treat it like a job.

Looks like you are the one treating it like a job playing cop getting in one guys face

Settle down, Scarf

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08-22-2023 , 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks

Looks like you are the one treating it like a job playing cop getting in one guys face

Settle down, Scarf

Its working so I see no reason to "settle down" and stop doing it. The only people having a problem with it is shitregs who contribute nothing to the game. Everyone would be better off if these people stopped playing live poker.

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08-22-2023 , 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kebabkungen

Fun recs probably see it as a pillow fight between two nits and starts thinking about the pits

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08-22-2023 , 01:05 PM

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Fun recs probably see it as a pillow fight between two nits and starts thinking about the pits

Fun recs just notice a single offhanded comment about him being a nit, and that is only if hes already been a shitreg for the entire night and the only one not straddling. I understand that you hate or would hate when/if it happens to you when you are shitting up fun games though, keep up the fight.

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08-22-2023 , 01:16 PM

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When I play live in a casino, it seems like the weak or inexperienced players don't straddle. Why would you want to make them uncomfortable? When I straddle, I never request a round and I hope no one else does either. It's an offering to the poker gods.

Edit - if there was a reg requesting rounds of straddles who seemed tilted others weren't straddling, it might be profitable to not straddle and tilt them

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