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Old 03-15-2010, 08:05 PM   #76
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Re: Stoxtrader Responds To Cheating Allegations In HSNL Forum

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Old 03-15-2010, 08:07 PM   #77
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Stox, you should divulge sn's to prove there was in fact, no collusion. I'm a customer. Cough it up, yo.
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:15 PM   #78
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Stox, you should divulge sn's to prove there was in fact, no collusion. I'm a customer. Cough it up, yo.
+1 although I posted on the Stox forums asking to confirm/deny whether any of the 5 names mentioned were his or anyone he was involved with and he said he would not say any more about it.
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:19 PM   #79
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You know there's an ethics problem when online poker training starts getting compared to major league baseball. I thought we were better than that...
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:27 PM   #80
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David benyamine- on about his 10th account on FT
Patrik Anonius had a few on Full Tilt
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I think Eli Elezra said he had a few accounts once
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A lot of the early cardrunners videos

U shouldnt have Sauce's name on this list. From what i remember FTP asked him to switch back to his old name(without RB). His name is very obv and similar to his Stars name. And he made a post in HSNL saying it was him and that he had been forced by FTP to switch.
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:31 PM   #81
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+1 although I posted on the Stox forums asking to confirm/deny whether any of the 5 names mentioned were his or anyone he was involved with and he said he would not say any more about it.
obv something to hide. pretty sad.
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:35 PM   #82
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[B]In regards to 2+2, the mods originally moved the thread because of the anonymous and smear intended nature of the accusations and the thread stayed in the mod forum as near as I can tell because there was a safety issue involved.
We believe the original thread was started by someone who was already banned from Two Plus Two. Once this is the case, the person is not allowed to post on www.twoplustwo.com anymore. So the post/thread would have been removed no matter what it said.

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Old 03-15-2010, 08:48 PM   #83
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We believe the original thread was started by someone who was already banned from Two Plus Two. Once this is the case, the person is not allowed to post on www.twoplustwo.com anymore. So the post/thread would have been removed no matter what it said.

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So the mods were acting appropriately, because they accidentally acted in a way that coincidentally resulted in what you wanted?
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:51 PM   #84
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So the mods were acting appropriately, because they accidentally acted in a way that coincidentally resulted in what you wanted?
There's no need to cross the line on this. If Mason (or someone in the mod/admin team) had reason to believe the OP was a banned user, then it's totally defensible that the post would get removed. There's nothing wrong with a zero tolerance policy for banned users. The coincidence here is that a banned user actually had something to say that people care about.
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:52 PM   #85
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So the mods were acting appropriately, because they accidentally acted in a way that coincidentally resulted in what you wanted?

If that were true, do you think this one, or the one in HSNL would still exist?
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:56 PM   #86
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Re: Stoxtrader Responds To Cheating Allegations In HSNL Forum

Note what I bolded.

That's not why the thread was moved.
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Old 03-15-2010, 09:01 PM   #87
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quoting with permission from nick rivers. i mean, this is pretty ****ing sick
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Here is the link to the discussion in the HSNL March 2009 Thread about the 40putts/kinetica collusion. I consider the evidence to be pretty damning. If anyone wants to crosspost this in the NVG discussion, go right ahead.
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David benyamine- on about his 10th account on FT
Patrik Anonius had a few on Full Tilt
Sauce123
Flawless Victory
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I think Eli Elezra said he had a few accounts once
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A lot of the early cardrunners videos
this is all true i guess
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Old 03-15-2010, 09:11 PM   #88
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... rule is multiaccounting is cheating, ban him forever.
no it's not. lol.
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Old 03-15-2010, 09:19 PM   #89
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Many players had multiple accounts early in the game. While always wrong, it was known, rarely looked down upon, and frankly wasn't much of an issue. Self-policing poker evolved over time. I think it's quite possible some didn't even know it was against the rules, it was openly discussed. I'm not condoning the behavior, simply you had to play then to understand the shift in thinking on this. I didn't, that's not my point. My point is to do this now, with all the scrutiny, with all the heat already on poker from multiple fronts, is beyond stupid.

I have no idea about Stox personally. In other words, I can conceive of things in life that might make it advisable to start a second account. Attention from LE, a divorce, etc, but any of those matters should have been cleared through the site and made publically known to the small number of people in that HS circle.
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Old 03-15-2010, 09:23 PM   #90
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You know there's an ethics problem when online poker training starts getting compared to major league baseball. I thought we were better than that...
Uh, sure. Your training people to play a game where deception and bullying is considered fair and optimal play (inarguable)...In an environment where collusion and team play of solo game is commonplace (see here)...Hosted by institutions that stole millions from their players (Dutch Boyd, AP, UB, MicroGaming)...and everybody really really really hopes the RNG's are truly random.

So you think you're better than who?
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Old 03-15-2010, 09:25 PM   #91
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Re: Stoxtrader Responds To Cheating Allegations In HSNL Forum

Question: Are live players who undergo cosmetic surgery to radically alter their appearance cheaters?
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Old 03-15-2010, 09:28 PM   #92
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Question: Are live players who undergo cosmetic surgery to radically alter their appearance cheaters?
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Old 03-15-2010, 09:30 PM   #93
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Wearing makeup/wig at a live poker game is not against the rules.

Having multiple accounts at an online poker site is specifically against the rules.
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:19 PM   #94
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Uh, sure. Your training people to play a game where deception and bullying is considered fair and optimal play (inarguable)...In an environment where collusion and team play of solo game is commonplace (see here)...Hosted by institutions that stole millions from their players (Dutch Boyd, AP, UB, MicroGaming)...and everybody really really really hopes the RNG's are truly random.

So you think you're better than who?
I'll let somebody who can explain the business end of baseball chime in here, but point taken (well articulated too).
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:29 PM   #95
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U shouldnt have Sauce's name on this list. From what i remember FTP asked him to switch back to his old name(without RB). His name is very obv and similar to his Stars name. And he made a post in HSNL saying it was him and that he had been forced by FTP to switch.
Agreed. He also went out of his way to let anyone who sat to play the new name HU know it was him.
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:42 PM   #96
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:48 PM   #97
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Re: Stoxtrader Responds To Cheating Allegations In HSNL Forum

Wasnt data mining only recently forbidden on full tilt? I mean anyway compared to rest of allegations this is a somewhat moot point but still if the video is from the period when data mining was OK then there isn't a problem.
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Old 03-15-2010, 10:50 PM   #98
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Thanks to Viffer for posting this information.

****ing Stox and CR seem like scumbags. I hope they comment to save their name and rep, at least CR. In Stox's case it seems like it might be too late, though I have an open mind.
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Old 03-16-2010, 12:26 AM   #99
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Where'd the Viffer post go? Seemed to be pretty serious business.
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Old 03-16-2010, 12:33 AM   #100
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****ing great, slow pony. Can someone construct a hypothetical situation that doesn't involve anyone we know yet conveys the gist of Viffer's post?
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