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04-10-2019 , 01:01 PM
Can this theorem extrapolate to HUDS in poker ?

"A patient goes to see a doctor. The doctor performs a test with 99 percent reliability--that is, 99 percent of people who are sick test positive and 99 percent of the healthy people test negative. The doctor knows that only 1 percent of the people in the country are sick. Now the question is: if the patient tests positive, what are the chances the patient is sick?"

The intuitive answer is 99 percent, but the correct answer is 50 percent...."

http://sphweb.bumc.bu.edu/otlt/MPH-M...bability6.html
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04-10-2019 , 05:35 PM
No
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04-11-2019 , 02:13 AM
At least 50% of the threads in NVG are diseased
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04-11-2019 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by metza
At least 50% of the threads in NVG are diseased
That number will grow as we get closer to the WSOP.
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04-11-2019 , 04:39 AM
as the theory demonstrates, it is always 50/50, you are either sick or you are not
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04-11-2019 , 04:41 AM
The base rate fallacy requires two things:
a) a very low incidence of the issue in the broader population:

AND

b) some sort of binary test which generates (even a small number of) false positives.



I can't think of any situations as a poker player where this would be relevant in the game, but it is certainly an important issue to be aware of when designing anti-fraud security systems around online poker sites. For example, given the relatively tiny numbers of cheaters in the poker world, false positives are a huge problem to any security system.

Here are a couple of outstanding introductions to this issue:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8153539.stm
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv...al_intent.html
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04-11-2019 , 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
The base rate fallacy requires two things:
a) a very low incidence of the issue in the broader population:

AND

b) some sort of binary test which generates (even a small number of) false positives.



I can't think of any situations as a poker player where this would be relevant in the game, but it is certainly an important issue to be aware of when designing anti-fraud security systems around online poker sites. For example, given the relatively tiny numbers of cheaters in the poker world, false positives are a huge problem to any security system.

Here are a couple of outstanding introductions to this issue:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8153539.stm
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv...al_intent.html
I think not being aware Bayes theorem leads to the perpetuation of automated cognitive errors. In particular when you think a line can look so strange that it has to be a bluff. In reality, when we compare the chances of a player having air vs simply having a strong hand, even though both are rare, the strong hand comes out as favourite (Hope I'm explaining that correctly). Obviously visa versa can be true given a certain line.

Basically, we have a bias to be suspicious of strange/rare things. Without Bayes we lean more towards categorising these rare/strange things as a threat or in my example perceiving a rare line as a bluff.

To add to Josem's links:

http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=13156

Last edited by sheeprustler; 04-11-2019 at 06:33 AM.
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