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View Poll Results: After reading the article I think the Nevada Gaming Control Board will...
Side with the casino and invalidate the jackpot. 34 33.33%
Side with the players and rule that the jackpot should be paid. 68 66.67%
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Old 12-17-2017, 05:15 AM   #51
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I'm curious how many people misread the poll question and voted for what they think should happen.

If it's not a reading comprehension fail then... I find your lack of lack of faith disturbing.
I voted tgey should get paid, but based on the info thats come out tgey probably shouldn't receive a dime.
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Old 12-17-2017, 08:14 PM   #52
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I would be happy for them not to get paid if this story spread and it induced some people to STFU during a hand. It won't shut all the idiots up, but it might quiet enough of them to be worth it.
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Old 12-18-2017, 12:32 AM   #53
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I would be happy for them not to get paid if this story spread and it induced some people to STFU during a hand. It won't shut all the idiots up, but it might quiet enough of them to be worth it.
Old nit after the one fish at the table raises ďhe duzzint wanna let us hit the BAD BEATĒ
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Old 12-18-2017, 03:15 PM   #54
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This was about 10 years ago or so but if memory serves me correctly, it was a fresh deck and the dealer started with a wash in which the cards on top were never actually blended in with the deck. The dealer did not shuffle the standard number of riffle shuffles (I think only two were done). I feel like there was something else that was incorrect but I can't remember what it was. Of course, my job was just to cue up the video. The casino manager looked at it and made the decision to void based on possible dealer collusion. I can't remember what, if anything, happened to the dealer but I know the manage sure was nervous about going out there and breaking the news to the players that it had been voided.

We had a couple others after that where the wash was questionable but the rest of the shuffle process was correct so they allowed it. All the more reason to keep a close eye on your dealer and make sure everything is being done properly.
So how many hands in an average night collect for the BBJ that would be deemed ineligible if one was hit?

Seems an awful lot like theft to me. In the case you described, anything less than firing the dealer on the spot and probably pressing charges against him/her should result in paying out the jackpot.

i.e. if you have evidence he/she cheated, use it, if not, pay up.
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Old 12-20-2017, 11:26 AM   #55
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Re: Stations casinos refuses to pay sf bad beat jackpot (poll added)

How much of pool was/is seed money versus bbj rake coming from all players?

If they do not pay, is it just a delay of when players get money back?
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Old 12-20-2017, 11:51 AM   #56
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What are the RR casinos doing with the current jackpot in case the 120K is awarded to the players? Are they keeping in in escrow - what if the jackpot hits now?
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Old 12-20-2017, 02:43 PM   #57
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Old nit after the one fish at the table raises ďhe duzzint wanna let us hit the BAD BEATĒ
Wow, small world. I've played with that guy too!
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Old 12-20-2017, 03:05 PM   #58
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What are the RR casinos doing with the current jackpot in case the 120K is awarded to the players? Are they keeping in in escrow - what if the jackpot hits now?
I don't know details, but someone earlier in the thread stated that the money would come directly from Stations and not from the BBJ fund if it were decided for the players.
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Old 12-25-2017, 12:15 PM   #59
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How about paying everyone except guy who flashed his cards...

Have they ever enforced the ďno discussionĒ rule? Cameras canít pick that up.
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Old 12-26-2017, 04:14 PM   #60
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Firstly, has any casino ever lost in a court or "board" decision on any ruling v.s. players or gamblers? LOL
Secondly, for anyone playing in that game with that high a bad beat jackpot to do anything to jeopardize his chances of getting paid the jackpot is clearly a bonehead move of a high enough degree that he kinda deserves what he gets.
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Old 12-28-2017, 12:41 AM   #61
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Are we sure the guy with the winning SF was 1st to act? If the losing sf checks, I can see tabling as a check back + hand over.

Also- I call BULL**** on Dr. Meh's story
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Old 12-28-2017, 01:05 AM   #62
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Are we sure the guy with the winning SF was 1st to act? If the losing sf checks, I can see tabling as a check back + hand over.

Also- I call BULL**** on Dr. Meh's story
Oh no, random internet nobody "calls bull****" on my story. How will I sleep tonight?
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Old 12-28-2017, 04:33 PM   #63
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Firstly, has any casino ever lost in a court or "board" decision on any ruling v.s. players or gamblers? LOL
Secondly, for anyone playing in that game with that high a bad beat jackpot to do anything to jeopardize his chances of getting paid the jackpot is clearly a bonehead move of a high enough degree that he kinda deserves what he gets.
Agree that it is rare for the casino to lose. Talk about a stacked deck.

The player ruined if for many others. A fitting penalty would be for everyone to get paid besides him. But that won't be the ruling.

Curious if they will allow release of the video. That would certainly help the public understand better.
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Old 12-28-2017, 09:29 PM   #64
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From the article in the OP:



Itís amazing how many people believe poker rooms start these promotions and give away $120k for free like that. Theyíre often shocked when rooms like Aria, Caesars and others refuse to bother with high hands, jackpots, etc.
Haven't played at RR before but wondering if this was perhaps part of the problem, was this guy thinking and trying to see if he hit some kind of other jackpot at first and asking for clarification on that without realizing the hand was also about to be BBJ eligible? Some of these goofy side jackpots these card rooms run are just plain dumb, they all have side rules that can be hard to follow. Seems easy enough if your going to run a BBJ then why have all the other ones too, quad this and that, straight flush of the day, Aces Cracked, etc.
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Old 12-28-2017, 10:11 PM   #65
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Haven't played at RR before but wondering if this was perhaps part of the problem, was this guy thinking and trying to see if he hit some kind of other jackpot at first and asking for clarification on that without realizing the hand was also about to be BBJ eligible? Some of these goofy side jackpots these card rooms run are just plain dumb, they all have side rules that can be hard to follow. Seems easy enough if your going to run a BBJ then why have all the other ones too, quad this and that, straight flush of the day, Aces Cracked, etc.
My guess is that the guy got excited by the best hand promo and just wanted to make sure that nothing goofy happened on the river like the opponent mucking.

Even if it is true that the lower straight-flush would never have folded, that doesn't absolve a person of exposing their cards on the river.

***Rule 15:
Discussion of hands during the play by players, at the discretion of
Management, may void a Jumbo Holdíem Jackpot ***

This is pretty much the same as discussing the hand while there is still action. In fact, it feels exactly the same.

Which means it is up to Management. And if they don't want to pay, they don't have to pay.
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Old 01-12-2018, 01:12 PM   #66
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Re: Stations casinos refuses to pay sf bad beat jackpot (poll added)

Update.

Delayed. The ďvillainĒ withdrew his complaint. They need more information. This is one hand from July!!!

https://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...aring-officer/
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Old 01-12-2018, 04:36 PM   #67
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Update.

Delayed. The ďvillainĒ withdrew his complaint. They need more information. This is one hand from July!!!

https://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...aring-officer/
Sounds like theyíre leaning toward siding with the players. That would set a bad precedent and Iím guessing quite a few casinos would stop offering BBJs. Realistically, has anyone here ever decided to play at one casino over another just because of a BBJ? I know I havenít.
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Old 01-12-2018, 05:07 PM   #68
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Sounds like theyíre leaning toward siding with the players. That would set a bad precedent and Iím guessing quite a few casinos would stop offering BBJs. Realistically, has anyone here ever decided to play at one casino over another just because of a BBJ? I know I havenít.

Why do you think the guy who blew it withdrew his complaint and what does that mean?
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Old 01-12-2018, 05:39 PM   #69
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Why do you think the guy who blew it withdrew his complaint and what does that mean?
Iím not sure. It doesnít make sense if things were leaning in his favor. He either realized he was at fault and decided to let it go or the casino paid him off or something. I donít know.
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Old 01-12-2018, 06:11 PM   #70
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Iím not sure. It doesnít make sense if things were leaning in his favor. He either realized he was at fault and decided to let it go or the casino paid him off or something. I donít know.
It seems to appear that he isn't contesting the original ruling by the casino not to award the jackpot. It makes things significantly harder for the rest of the players when the 2nd biggest claimant isn't making any waves. Of course, the players could win and so could he. The casino is still allowed to contest that hearing to the civil courts.

The investigator said he wants to talk to that player. My guess is the player will say he accidentally flipped over the cards because he was so excited. Which will be admitting that he "communicated" his cards before action was complete.

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Old 01-12-2018, 06:40 PM   #71
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Why would he turn over his hand? To communicate with the other player not to fold,even though no one folds full houses let alone straight flushes. Guy is a certified imbecile and should not be paid anything. He would probably degen the money one way or another. Soooo unneeded on his part,i'd be mad if I was other player in the hand.
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Old 01-12-2018, 07:53 PM   #72
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Why would he turn over his hand? To communicate with the other player not to fold,even though no one folds full houses let alone straight flushes. Guy is a certified imbecile and should not be paid anything. He would probably degen the money one way or another. Soooo unneeded on his part,i'd be mad if I was other player in the hand.
I think he just got so excited about the jackpot. I heard he thought he was going to win $12k (vs. the actual $30k).

I don't think it matters the reason why he did it. All that matters is that he did it before action was complete. He may have withdrawn from the appeal because he has given many reason why he flipped over the cards.

This could drag on for years. The casino can appeal any Gaming Board ruling to the state court.
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:56 AM   #73
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Sounds like they’re leaning toward siding with the players. That would set a bad precedent and I’m guessing quite a few casinos would stop offering BBJs. Realistically, has anyone here ever decided to play at one casino over another just because of a BBJ? I know I haven’t.
I was at Encore recently and several fish at my table said they were going to play at Venetian the next day because Venetian offered high hands and bad beats and Encore offered nothing. They actually seemed a little mad about the lack of promotions at Encore. Was at a table months ago with a guy who was obviously an inexperienced tourist and when a local told him Orleans offered bad beats and other promotions, he left soon after that to play at Orleans.

These people act like the promotions are free giveaways. Or if they are aware of the jackpot drop they simply don’t care and are willing to pay into it.

Also, when the payout gets large the rooms offering a bbj get a significant increase in business, so some regs will play in rooms because of them (I’m sure you knew this already though).

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Old 01-13-2018, 12:27 PM   #74
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I was at Encore recently and several fish at my table said they were going to play at Venetian the next day because Venetian offered high hands and bad beats and Encore offered nothing. They actually seemed a little mad about the lack of promotions at Encore. Was at a table months ago with a guy who was obviously an inexperienced tourist and when a local told him Orleans offered bad beats and other promotions, he left soon after that to play at Orleans.

These people act like the promotions are free giveaways. Or if they are aware of the jackpot drop they simply donít care and are willing to pay into it.

Also, when the payout gets large the rooms offering a bbj get a significant increase in business, so some regs will play in rooms because of them (Iím sure you knew this already though).
Maybe itís different in Vegas since the casinos are so close to one another. Out here in California, youíre looking at AT LEAST an hour drive to get to a different room to play in. So for out here, the casino closest to you tends to be the one you play at regardless of what promos are offered. I suppose if Pechanga offered a million dollar BBJ or something outrageous like that, Commerce players might migrate South to play in it but even then, I doubt it. But if itís Hustler v. Commerce and if the traffic isnít bad, maybe a big promo would sway some players to go one place over another. But thatís a lot of ifs.
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These people act like the promotions are free giveaways. Or if they are aware of the jackpot drop they simply donít care and are willing to pay into it..
I'm not a fan of promotions overall, but in Vegas they are essentially free giveaways, since Encore and most other strip rooms have $5 rake while Orleans has $3 rake plus $2 promo drop. So you're paying the same amount at both, just getting the promos at one place and not the others.
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