For tourist who plays in Vegas a few times a year, promotions are pretty much free giveaways.

For the local reg, not so much.

Regs at places like Orleans must die a bit on the inside, when tourist comes in, plays for first time, and hits big jackpot.

From what I heard he turned his hand over for a high hand bonus running that day. He thought he won $1200 or something like that, he turned his cards over so the other guy wouldn't "waste"any more money on the pot. The BBJ never crossed his mind.


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Just mad if you were other player? People have been killed for far less.

Just one of those things that sucks. He put the casino in the position of having to rule against him.

I played California lowball where bad beat hand was a2346. The players would say if they were going uptown or downtown. It might mean that someone throw away a 7 on a2347 to get the 6 or 5.

This would be nearly impossible to throw out a jackpot since they could plausibly say they were going downtown after the game.

I don’t think they automatically kill a jackpot for talking. It would have to be something egregious. The killer here is the video. The manager reviewed it. It was shown at board meeting.

It still is at discretion of casino. They ruled not to award it. Within their rights. Which is why I think the ruling will be in favor of casino.

Orleans is the only room in Vegas which does that. Other rooms in Vegas offering promos do $5+$1 or in some cases $5+$2 instead of $5+$0 like Encore, Bellagio, Aria and Caesar’s.

I think some of the other locals casinos have the same policy, or at least the slightly better $4 rake. But Orleans is the closest, and that's where the guy went to. He was right to think he was getting ripped off and leave.

He never asked what the rake was and I’m sure he didn’t care. He just wanted to play in a room with bad beats, etc. I’m not even sure he knew what rake was.

Not sure what the locals casinos rake is as rake has been going up around town. Someone mentioned South Point being $5+$1 now which would be higher than it was in August. I never confirmed it myself though. I hope he is wrong.

Most locals casinos also only have 1-2 NL which is smaller than the 1-3 game at Wynn with a high max buy-in. And locals casinos tend to have 2-4 limit, and maybe a 3-6 or 4-8 limit game but nothing higher. Orleans is different from the other rooms, and he actually didn’t know where it was and only went there because a local told him about it.

Also this conversation took place in the old room at Wynn back when the rake was $4 instead of $5. So it’s longer ago than I realized.

I think it’s more accurate to say they are like free giveaways at Orleans because of the $3 max rake. None of the other rooms offer that type of deal.

Encore still offers a much better deal than almost any other room in town.

Players won. Red Rock / Stations Casinos are paying out.

https://calvinayre.com/2018/02/14/po...-beat-jackpot/

Great ruling and will let other casinos know you can't take players money and refuse to pay it out.

Why would Shamir receive death threats when the other player is the one who acted improperly?

Technically incorrect ruling, but PR-wise probably the right move.

I don't know what actually happened, but that article implies that Shamir was the one who caused the problem, by talking about what a "great hand" he had, prior to showdown.

Not as much as you might think.

I recently promised a poker dealer at Mandalay Bay a 50% tip if I hit an hourly high hand jackpot ($400) on the next hand. I did and paid him the $200 when it held up. He told me it was the largest tip he had ever received and this guy had been dealing for many, many years.

So the dealer performed a cold-deck. The chances of you personally hitting the high-hand of the day on the very next hand after making that announcement is what....1/10,000? Unless you make that announcement every few hands...

https://www.cardschat.com/news/bad-b...red-rock-58395

It doesn't say if Red Rock is planning to appeal the Board's decision or pay the players and end it. They are allowed to take it to State Civil Court.

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2018/...case-29974.htm

I will never understand the obsession people have with promotions. The other night I watched a guy twice check down AQ on an AQX board in a 1-3 NL game trying to draw to a full house in order to win......$100.

Now that they have paid out, they ended the promotion.

https://www.uspoker.com/blog/station...jackpot/22378/

They had already planned on ending it, had nothing to do with the payout

Let's keep beating this dead horse. The cost of trying to enforce their original decision likely led to a determination along the lines of

"Whose f***ing idea was this anyway ? Anyone with P&L responsibility for poker want to repeat it ?"

Stations has had a bad beat promo off and on for years. It'll probably be back at some point.

I’ve never heard of anyone tipping 50%. When I wrote my post I wasn’t thinking the dealer would get THAT much.

Sounds like a lot of the locals are angry and this has hurt business a little bit, which is the opposite of what a promotion is supposed to do. If they offer a bbj again, some might be skeptical of the chances the room would pay it out.

Of course, the people I’m talking about are people that think the rules are dumb and think you should be able to talk about the jackpot, turn over jackpot hands early so they can check it down or get enough money in the pot,, and would prefer having no minimum amount of money in the pot to be able to qualify.

I'd done it before .... The 50%, (sometimes 1/3), is offered openly to the dealer before the hand is dealt and only for the very next hand.

Why not ? It's entertaining for me.

Heard they are going to be bringing back the big BBJ that starts at $250k