hard to imagine how anyone can be smart enough to make millions, and still make mistakes like loaning similar amounts to degenerate gamblers. not talking about Abe that he's dumb or something negative, let's just say very "naive", same applies to Galfond, he had the same incident a couple years ago with some other Elezra-like degenerate gambler.

Cts were you aware of Abe’s situation?


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Oh man, how am i supposed to enjoy watching High Stakes Poker ever again?

Sorry that Eli caused you and your family so much pain Abe.

Cant help but think cts wont be getting paid back anymore since your entry to the thread.

Would love to know what Eli said to cts to make him change his stance like that. It can't of just been sweet talk.

I’m guessing something like , “ tell everyone it’s all good now , and get rid of those negative book reviews so I can make $ off the books to pay you back. You will be the first to get any money “

Or ''tell everyone it’s all good now , and get rid of those negative book reviews
or some unexpected things might happen''

Jesus thread took off.

I think 2+2 and Mason are going to come off alright at the end of this. At least relatively speaking for sure.

Please remember I did not. out Eli and never looked at tis website.
Im not wanting anyone to feel sorry for me and Im not playing broke. Eli said to many times I have enough money. I have to maintain a lifestyle also I just dont do it with other peoples money. It was over a million at the time
He paid alittle the first 3 months 9 years ago with a discount. I do need the money and had to pay taxes on the loan on top. For his lifestyle has not change. Im not asking for pity. I was in denial for years and realize Im out the money. Its the messages lying and saying my family is making threats on his children and he is going to the FBI to have me arrested is scary. It a out and out lie and for those who know me know that. Its a scare tactic and hechas called me all night saying he is going to the Fbi. I have not slept and my we are scared he is that nutz now.
My lawyer advised me not to post the texts so Im not.
Do not think this will get anyone to come out just the opposite. Im glad he boost about being in the poker room 5 days a week. Good for you Eli. For me it hurt my gamecin Bobby room and not in there for a year. I can" be around him and look him in the eye but he has no trouble
Looking me in the eye or baiting my gf to. Go after him.. Again I know Im out the money. Eli, you can stop now. I will never ask for a payment. You got your wish. Well played Eli you got me.

Poker players – including lots of high stakes players – borrow/lend money from each other all the time. They always have and they always will. The deals and arrangements they make in this regard have always been private and I believe they will always remain private. It’s nobody else’s business anyhow.

^^^ Eli quote.

Now Eli, Im sure you ahve loaned people lets say 50k before right? Now, would you loan a good friend of yours 50k if you know they owe 2+Million out? Of course you wouldnt. Thats why your last sentence"its nobodies business anyhow" is so wrong. If im gonna loan a guy money it damn well is my business if that person owes a dozen of other people for eternity.,

Its so obvious you had a ton of cash, borrowed money to play in hopes of winning to pay it back then dug deeper and deeper and never went on the good run so you got all this debt you couldnt make good on. I imagine it took awhile to make a book too, sad. I am guessing you did this cuz you ran out of people to get cash from?

Man, i feel for Abe, brutal, its not even possible to get that money back and anyway from my understanding is you cant really get in legal trouble from a loan can you? I think theres gotta be confirmed written from both parties for that and agree on a certain time?

Really curious to see if CTS gets any aswell after that Abe bombshell

Please remember I did not. out Eli and never looked at tis website.
Im not wanting anyone to feel sorry for me and Im not playing broke. Eli said to many times I have enough money. I have to maintain a lifestyle also I just dont do it with other peoples money. It was over a million at the time
He paid alittle the first 3 months 9 years ago with a discount. I do need the money and had to pay taxes on the loan on top. For his lifestyle has not change. Im not asking for pity. I was in denial for years and realize Im out the money. Its the messages lying and saying my family is making threats on his children and he is going to the FBI to have me arrested is scary. It a out and out lie and for those who know me know that. Its a scare tactic and hechas called me all night saying he is going to the Fbi. I have not slept and my we are scared he is that nutz now.
My lawyer advised me not to post the texts so Im not.
Do not think this will get anyone to come out just the opposite. Im glad he boost about being in the poker room 5 days a week. Good for you Eli. For me it hurt my gamecin Bobby room and not in there for a year. I can" be around him and look him in the eye but he has no trouble
Looking me in the eye or baiting my gf to. Go after him.. Again I know Im out the money. Eli, you can stop now. I will never ask for a payment. You got your wish. Well played Eli you got me.

He won't do anything Abe. Just keep your lawyer updated and try to relax.

The money is probably a write off tho, yes.

You know I took a big hit with that money Eli. Do you really think I wanted too humilate myself my wife and my family. Look it Eli if you call my me or my family liars or another threat I will go against the advice of my very expensive lawyer, more money lost on you and post your threats. Bet it rtf

Eli would you say you were more happy with how thread #1 or thread #2 unraveled?

Hey Abe, was there ever any"pay by X day" arrangement with this debt when it was made 9 yrs ago?

I imagine people would love to see the texts/threats etc but I can't really think of a net benefit from you doing so.

Things have been moving fast since the book release and you'll know exactly where you stand in due time.

sorry if i missed it but did eli call you a liar publicly?

Of course

$18,000 for a piñata.

Eli is welcome to post my long reply to him tonight.

Is it literally that easy to scam someone out of ~1MMish and get away with it?!
Mind boggling

Oh here come the victim bashers for no reason at all. No its obviously not Fn easy to rob a million dollars dude, they were obviously friends for so long, and at the time Eli had a ton of money flashing around and FTP gravy train there aswell, and Abe believed a close friends promises, its not hard really. It happens all the time.

Just when you think this **** can't get any worse...

So is this thread gonna get shutdown like the last one? lol
Abe, you sure got balls to post, I think it just makes things worse for ya but who knows

so its safe to assume privateworld was telling the truth and it was abes wife/gf that attacked eli in the card room, I dont blame her in the slightest, eli got some real balls flashing around expensive new purchases when hes due so much money, he really is selfish, its a shame because when I first started playing poker eli was one of my fav players to watch on high stakes poker

Ever since Cole's first post in the AMA, this keeps coming up—the idea that book sales could somehow make everything right in this scenario. People seem to have a very unrealistic view of the economics of book publishing. Yes, someone like Michelle Obama can write an autobiography that sells millions of copies and earns millions of dollars in royalties. But the average book sells only 3,000 copies in its lifetime in print and only 250-300 copies in its first year.

As I'm writing this, Eli Elezra's book is ranked #68,960 on Amazon. That number changes daily, but it's been bouncing around between 40,000 and 80,000 or so since his AMA thread started. This suggests that Amazon might be selling only a handful of copies each week. Is it also available in brick-and-mortar bookstores? I don't know. But I couldn't even find it listed for sale at https://www.twoplustwo.com/books/, which I find very curious.

A friend of mine self-published an e-book on Amazon. He sold fewer than 100 copies, but he got nine 5-star reviews. Eli's book has gotten three 5-star reviews and three 1-star reviews. That does not bode well, neither for Amazon sales nor for sales through other venues.

Where are Eli's friends and fans? Why aren't they helping to promote his book by writing positive reviews on Amazon?

Gus Hansen's Every Hand Revealed from 2008 (aka "Full Tilt Days") has 321 customer reviews on Amazon, for an average rating of 4.5 stars. And even though it came out over a decade ago, it's currently selling about as many if not more copies than Eli's book, with an Amazon sales rank of #42,126.

Mason has already said he expects to lose $18,000 of his $20,000 investment in this title. That means he expects to get $2,000 in revenue. What do people think Eli's royalties will be if Mason gets only $2,000? That depends on what his contract stipulates, but typical royalty rates for paperback books are only 5% to 7.5%. Let's say it's double that. So Mason sells $2,200 or $2,400 worth of books, he gets to keep $2,000, and the author gets $200 to $400.

But wait: there are actually three coauthors and a translator. Again, I don't know what their specific contractual arrangements are—maybe Eli has paid them already; maybe they all get a share of the royalties. If he paid the translator out of pocket, then Eli is losing money too.

Maybe the Hebrew version sold well in Israel; maybe Eli is more of a celebrity there than he is in America (not that it's a huge market; there are more people in New Jersey than in Israel).

But no one is making any money off the English version of this book; that seems quite clear. And I guarantee there will never be a sequel or a revised edition or a movie or TV series made from this book.