For all we know, Doyle's net worth would be double without Eli.

Hi Sizzler:

I don't quite agree with this. IN my opinion, you loan money to help someone. You don't loan money so that they can play in a bigger game than their bankroll would indicate.

Best wishes,
Mason

Yeah but how much did he win from him

Wasn't Eli sort of a Doyle's "personal" whale?

Me thinks you confuse a fish and whale.

A whale may need a loan cause he doesn’t have it on him at the time. But by definition the amount he is losing is meaningless to him. If he fails to repay it is probably because it was so little to him he forgot. Remind him gently and you will get paid back and likely paid more than he owes you.

A fish just stinks.

A whale at those stakes is not a millionaire. He is a billionaire or at min. hundreds of millionaire.

Oh, okay.

Don't worry, I saw this. And I laughed.

Nice.

That's why I figure Elezra must have lost something in 8 figures to have been making that game with so many name pros for so long. Maybe 9 figures, but that seems unlikely. You don't need to be a billionaire to make an impact on that game. Those guys aren't all making fortunes.

Hey Mason,

I've never seen it work out well, but that's just my experience. Even within family.

Hi Sizzler:

I mostly agree with you, even with family, and have had mostly negative experiences when lending money. But there have been a couple of exceptions, and it can feel good when instead of lending you just give some money to a friend who needs it, and I've had that experience as well.

Best wishes,
Mason

Never loan money. It causes amnesia.

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That's not a loan, that's a gift!

I'll never forget seeing Eli in the bathroom at Bellagio back in 2010 during the series and he just had the most distraught look on his face. We were standing at the sinks washing our hands and I ask him "Bad night?" He cracked a smile and replied, "Buddy I just lost more money in one night than you'll lose in your entire life."

Seeing this thread he would be a person after hearing him say that I would never loan money to. Actually surprised CTS actually loaned him money, he seems smarter than that. Lesson learned I guess.

That's why he was smiling. He lost, wasn't his money. He scams some high roller and if he wins great. Pure profit. If he loses oh well can't pay that person back and finds the next mark. Must be a nice gig for him. Got exposed on here and within weeks was playing high limit tv games and welcomed like he is a known saint.

That's why I'm done being shocked anymore. Nobody gets held accountable in the poker community. Total fn joke all the way around. As I have written before, there seemed to be more outrage that some airport degen Mike B hustled $100 from someone than guys like Eli, Chino, Lindgren and lots of others who "borrow" 6 figures from players and never pay them back. Gotta just shake your head.

Yeah I have a policy. Don't borrow don't loan. The only exception is If I'm in a game with someone who I know is getting backed and I have them text their backer and make sure they are good for it.

One example is a known poster on here was getting killed in an 80/160 game at Borgata and I was cashing out. He came up to the cage and asked for a 4k loan. I replied text your backer who I knew well and have done deals with in the past and have him text me that he is good for it. He did and his backer who's house I was staying at the time said yes the game is good, loan him the 4k and you can stay the rest of the month for free. So basically I knew I was 100% getting the money back and was getting a favor in return.

So dont loan unless you do.

Don't loan to people you don't trust and aren't 100% sure they will pay you back. I personally keep a box so I don't have to ask to borrow at 3am when the bank isn't open and the 5/5 PLO game is insane with people repotting the flop all-in with the JT67o on a K67 board and hit running 89 against your top set.

"Don't borrow from anyone you don't want to loan money to." - Doyle Brunson (Super System)

"I never BORROW, I Never LEND" its such a soul-less angle to take, and certainly not correct. Perhaps this doesn't apply to everyone, but in my early twenties in particular I was helped out by a few people - loans, stakes, free accom, etc and those compassionate acts of kindness have made a big difference to my life.

I feel really good about either a) being able to directly reciprocate to the person or b) to be able to help a similar person in a similar spot out down the line.

With regards to lending losing poker players money at a poker game (in the exception of spots where you 100% trust the person and it's obviously an instant liquidity issue) it's almost certainly not going to be a good idea, obviously, and actually doesn't sit well with me morally - you open up a line of credit that the person knows they can abuse a little bit and might stretch them too far. I really dislike lending recreational gamblers money to gamble with in general. This being said it's also not as simple as people make out and in bigger games there's often some other things to consider too.

it's absolutely correct. lending money for people to gamble with specifically is a total joke and horrible idea. of course sometimes it does work out well for both sides but that doesn't make it smart.

A STATEMENT FROM ZZINUSZZOVE

Sounds great until the sheriff comes to tell you to get to steppin' cause the house you are staying at is being foreclosed on.

Come to think that whats actually happening is that youre asking a gambler to gamble. Asking for a loan in a casino that is. No surprise then that gamblers will give loans.

CL with 5 left in the 50k, over 950k up top, surprised no one mentioned it here

Saw him playing in the private room thing in Aria today, not sure what the game was.