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02-20-2019 , 01:21 AM

#1576

R*R

I wish I was Einstein

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,753

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Originally Posted by Pablo22

Should have done a little more research before pulling the trigger on this book deal.

We could certainly use more bright minds like yours.

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02-20-2019 , 02:41 AM

#1577

illdonk

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Obviously they should have hired some private investigators. That would have cleared it all up.

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02-20-2019 , 12:26 PM

#1578

shorn7

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,495

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Originally Posted by ICrushDreams

Good response Mason and fair play to all parties involved in this debacle (except Elezra for being naive enough this would go over smoothly). I've always appreciated that 2+2 publishing holds a high moral ground with regard to what is and what is not published, and its understandable this one may have slipped by. On another note, Real Poker Psychology was a great read and many concepts still stick in my mind today for the optimal approach in handling variance. Mainly finding humor in both bad beats and ridiculous statistical outliers that are bound to occur at some point. If someone struggles seriously with tilt and keeping their cool I highly recommend Mason Malmuths book.

Okay real quickly - back to the villain in question. Personally never met Eli Elezra, but just the whole aurora about him being some business man was always met with skepticism (probably not only person that felt this way) and in general someone that seemed very untrustworthy - although hindsight is clearly 20/20 and sometimes its hard to exactly pinpoint the extent of ones shady history without the cold hard facts.

Thanks for this tip. This is my biggest issue as I get older when playing so I will read this book.

Shorn

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02-20-2019 , 12:52 PM

#1579

Sir Huntington

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Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,354

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Originally Posted by R*R

We could certainly use more bright minds like yours.

Ya **** on that poster when the decision to be in business with Eli Elezra is like hiring a dope fiend and getting mad when the lil ****er runs off with anything valuable to go pawn it. 2+2 has known Eli was a ****ing douche for like a decade now and the heads of 2+2 got into business with the guy.

You're post was written sarcastically but really you meant it literally, you just didn't know it.

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02-20-2019 , 01:06 PM

#1580

illdonk

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Would “No ****, Sherlock” have been more succinct for you? The guy shows up after a 20-car pileup and says “Gosh, somebody should have been more careful.”

Frankly the only lesson from these threads is never get involved with anybody involved with poker because it will devolve into a complete clusterclownshow.

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02-20-2019 , 01:47 PM

#1581

King Spew

Just average

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 15,224

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Originally Posted by illdonk

Frankly the only lesson from these threads is never get involved with anybody involved with poker because it will devolve into a complete clusterclownshow.

OK, you're all going on my Ignore List. All Of You.

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02-20-2019 , 02:37 PM

#1582

redbuck

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 4,691

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Originally Posted by highjumper86

Gene Hackman's last movie was 2004

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

And Adam Sandler has made five in the last three years - one of those as a voice actor.

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Originally Posted by drbeechwood

and he's almost 90.

please don't confuse me with the facts...

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02-20-2019 , 03:02 PM

#1583

R*R

I wish I was Einstein

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,753

Completely got the post:

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Originally Posted by illdonk

Would “No ****, Sherlock” have been more succinct for you? The guy shows up after a 20-car pileup and says “Gosh, somebody should have been more careful.”

Some kind of weird rant:

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Originally Posted by Sir Huntington

Sir Huntington, I certainly hope your response isn't a petty reaction due to previous bans
handed out to you in NVG.

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02-20-2019 , 11:44 PM

#1584

Adjusted

adept

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 1,093

Things I learned in this thread:

#1. The reason I never made it to the nosebleeds is because my spelling and grammar are too good and I am very good with computers.

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02-21-2019 , 12:33 PM

#1585

BulltexasATM

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,685

Story with cliffs and a little more information from Eli about the history of his debts -
https://www.vegasslotsonline.com/new...my-on-display/

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02-21-2019 , 01:01 PM

#1586

iTzLifestyle

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Pretty good article. Apparently Abe was multi accounting on ftp? I didn’t remember reading that anywhere before this article.

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02-21-2019 , 07:16 PM

#1587

Mason Malmuth

Former Top Dog

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13,014

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Originally Posted by BulltexasATM

Story with cliffs and a little more information from Eli about the history of his debts -
https://www.vegasslotsonline.com/new...my-on-display/

The statement in this article that I insisted on the AMA is flat out wrong. It was made clear to Eli on several occasions that the AMA was voluntary and that he would be asked questions he might not like, and this included about borrowing money since the Shaun Deeb stuff was already out there. Also, us telling Eli that the AMA was voluntary was last told to him a few minutes before it went up by both Mat Sklansky and myself when Eli came to our office to start the AMA.

Mason

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02-21-2019 , 07:56 PM

#1588

whatthejish

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lol, chill out Mason.

No one blames you for anything other than ignorance.

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02-21-2019 , 08:29 PM

#1589

Mason Malmuth

Former Top Dog

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13,014

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Originally Posted by whatthejish

lol, chill out Mason.

No one blames you for anything other than ignorance.

Hi what:

That may be the case and we have certainly been punished for it, but I have little confidence in anything that this author writes.

Best wishes,
Mason

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02-21-2019 , 08:46 PM

#1590

TheFly

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Originally Posted by whatthejish

lol, chill out Mason.

No one blames you for anything other than ignorance.

Ignorance of what? That a career high-stakes poker player might have some outstanding debts and/or loans? Shocking news.

Should be totally irrelevant to whether Mason publishes a life's memoir book.

This whole thing was a lynch mob derail that spiraled way out of control. Yes, Eli owes money, maybe lots of it, so what, should have nothing to do with Mason, 2+2, or publishing a memoir book.

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02-21-2019 , 09:09 PM

#1591

Stupor

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Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 359

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth

Hi what:

That may be the case and we have certainly been punished for it, but I have little confidence in anything that this author writes.

Best wishes,
Mason

Have they edited the article since you posted? As it stands now they clearly state that this is just what Elezra claims. pretty believable that he would claim this whether its true or not

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"The AMA appearance – claimed by Elezra to this writer as being insisted upon by 2P2 co-owner Mason Malmuth for promoting the book – triggered responses..."

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02-21-2019 , 09:44 PM

#1592

whatthejish

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Originally Posted by TheFly

Which is what I said?

Not sure how you think you're disagreeing with my post.

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02-21-2019 , 10:53 PM

#1593

Mason Malmuth

Former Top Dog

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13,014

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Originally Posted by Stupor

Have they edited the article since you posted? As it stands now they clearly state that this is just what Elezra claims. pretty believable that he would claim this whether its true or not

Hi Stupor:

Well, he hasn't said this anyplace else that I know of. So, even though I wasn't there, I doubt that this was said at all.

Best wishes,
Mason

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02-21-2019 , 11:12 PM

#1594

Stupor

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Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 359

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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth

Well, he hasn't said this anyplace else that I know of. So, even though I wasn't there, I doubt that this was said at all.

Hmm.
He’s presented with the obvious question: with all those skeletons in the closet why do an AMA? He can either be honest and say despite advice, he wanted to push the book and thought he could handle the AMA – a terrible decision for him as it transpired. Or he can deflect responsibility for that bad decision by saying something like “I didn’t want to do it…the publishers made me”. Given his moral character I can def see him wanting to deflect the blame for his own bad decision.

That seems much more likely to me than the interviewer flat out lying about it. I don’t know anything about her though...

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02-21-2019 , 11:29 PM

#1595

R*R

I wish I was Einstein

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,753

Eli's life has been a long continuous lie so it's not surprising that the lies continue.

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02-21-2019 , 11:35 PM

#1596

Spin2Win

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I'm actually surprised the book didn't do better with all the attention. I think it probably just made no difference. I sincerely doubt it would have sold much better if the debt dead-beating hadn't been revealed and the AMA had gone smoothly.

Last edited by Spin2Win; 02-21-2019 at 11:45 PM.

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02-22-2019 , 06:58 AM

#1597

PLIKITYPLAK

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The funny thing is that it was one of his smallest debts that called him out and caused the whole thing to come crashing down. Be careful who you screw over in life.

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02-22-2019 , 02:21 PM

#1598

King Spew

Just average

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 15,224

nice user name, hc

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02-25-2019 , 01:53 AM

#1599

ginocan

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 629

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Originally Posted by Spin2Win

I'm actually surprised the book didn't do better with all the attention. I think it probably just made no difference. I sincerely doubt it would have sold much better if the debt dead-beating hadn't been revealed and the AMA had gone smoothly.

Agree. Honestly, I don't think many people even know who Eli is. Not talking about the scandals and whatnot. In general, how many people actually know or actually think Eli is a good enough poker player that they would want to actually read a book about him or his stories.

In an average poker room, I'd say about 5-10% people even heard of Eli. Let's just say he is not DNegs, Hellmuth, Ivey, Doyle, Johnny Chan...you get the idea.

So it is not a surprise that the book is going to flop. Even before the scandals came out.

imho