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Old 04-05-2018, 09:18 PM   #126
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Re: Stars introduces Split Hold'em

Interesting (the simulations) but i think worth noting that the number of hands that get split (which is obviously not the same as it would be if all players went to showdown) is not as important in determining rake as the average pot size (which will be higher because of the nature of split pot games with mixed equity. petty semantics sort of).

In that respect the average pot is significantly larger than equivalent stakes of nl hold em in smaller stake tables like $100nl (something to the tune of 5x as large when you scroll through hand histories. Meaning 5x the rake. That would probably be a huge mark against it's viability for grinding if it was 'normal' but i think people are playing way too fast and loose even after accounting for how much looser this game structure should play. There aren't really enough tables running to justify putting any serious time/effort in at this point though.
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Old 04-06-2018, 01:58 AM   #127
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In case this is of any interest to anybody, I just ran a series of simulations to estimate how often Split Holdem will result in a split pot based upon the number of players.

In these simulations, all players go to showdown on every deal. Each simulation set consists of 1 million random deals.

Number of PlayersSplit Pot Pct
2
49.4%
3
66.0%
4
74.4%
5
79.3%
Not that it matter me much, but that percentage does not really tell anything. In poker you take a lot of pots without showdown. In this game I think the concern is the large split pots you like to avoid for rake purposes. It would be interesting to learn how often that happens in % of hands.
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Old 04-06-2018, 02:45 AM   #128
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Re: Stars introduces Split Hold'em

The large split pots are part of how you make money in split pot games. You just have to work at avoiding them being heads up.

One of the money-making spots in this game should be when you have two opponents who are sharing the same straight or full house on one board while you take the other side. Making a flush should go up in value because you have a greater opportunity to demibluff on the river.
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Old 04-06-2018, 10:50 AM   #129
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Re: Stars introduces Split Hold'em

Absolutely the strategy should be to catch a third player paying full price to draw for half the pot.

In Omaha 8b this is easier since the nuts are out more often. In holdem, i suppose you would have to decide what nutty value you will go with, and what draws to dump that can only win half. I agree it should be played pot-limit also.
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Old 04-07-2018, 12:58 PM   #130
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Re: Stars introduces Split Hold'em

hopefully this leads to a double board omaha and some other fun poker variants like baducey, badacey, crazy pineapple, etc
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Old 04-08-2018, 04:14 AM   #131
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that is just variance. Shoving with AK on said board will hardly result in a noticeable negative EV, except, of course, the negative EV forced upon you by the rake.
Scooped more than a fair share of pots, with JJ hitting top set on top board and holding on bottom, actually scooped one with 99 facing a complete bluff.

There's more to this than meats the eye, range building to scoop is something new, and interesting to me anyway
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Old 04-08-2018, 08:17 AM   #132
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Re: Stars introduces Split Hold'em

Do you know if country licensed PS sites that are in .com pool have that game, because I cant find it?
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Old 04-09-2018, 02:13 AM   #133
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Re: Stars introduces Split Hold'em

I can say that UK does, DK and CZ does not.
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Old 04-10-2018, 12:46 PM   #134
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Re: Stars introduces Split Hold'em

More rake, bigger chests people!
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Old 04-10-2018, 03:20 PM   #135
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Split holdem is a spit on true holdem.
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Old 04-22-2018, 10:14 AM   #136
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Re: Stars introduces Split Hold'em

what the heck, now you can only buy in for 50bb at 10NL???
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Old 05-14-2018, 11:22 AM   #137
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Re: Stars introduces Split Hold'em

Split Hold'em has been removed from the lobby. Guess we'll be seeing more temporary offerings like Split Hold'em this year.

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Old 05-14-2018, 01:52 PM   #138
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Re: Stars introduces Split Hold'em

I did like split holdem, but only if I could buy for 80-100 bb; capping the buy in as low as they did was a travesty.
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Old 05-14-2018, 02:26 PM   #139
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Re: Stars introduces Split Hold'em

agreed, was a fun game and i liked everyone buying in for same amount too but should be 80bb minimum imo

could be very interesting if they decide to rotate these new variants throughout the year
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Old 05-15-2018, 08:44 AM   #140
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Re: Stars introduces Split Hold'em

There's no need for them to rotate formats, as it takes them rather little time to design a new one. As soon as a format turns out too unbalanced in regs' favour, Stars will quickly replace it with another, yet unstudied one. I conjecture this because it fits into the same ideology as Stars' intention to change the rules of Power Up once in a while.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:10 AM   #141
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this would actually work if it was for PLO and would play really well with less split pots!! come on pokerstars please give this a trail with Omaha
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only somewhat cool game type they've released in years, probably still massive rake trap but I feel we've been crying for new formats / game types coming out online for cash games like people do in live games (2 board PLO next?)
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I've played plenty of 2 board PLO and Courchevel live and it's a decent game (though personally Im not a huge fan), but I think that this could be pretty boring with NLHE, since correct strategy should be ultratight preflop, as hands like suited connectors are super weak because of very low chances of scooping. I might be wrong, but even in PLO it seems like people are playing slightly tighter pre with 2 boards.
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It actually seems like almost every pot which is any reasonable size postflop gets split. NLHE makes it easy enough to figure out if it's even remotely likely that you're beat on both boards. If you aren't, then ship it all in and split.
Split board PLO would have less split pots, ironically.
d stars wins. Not to mention what a real-time-software can do to this game lol..

PLO would have actual game play.
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Nah. Im just gonna wait for 6 card Omaha Split with the option to run it 4 times
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Double Board Omaha (Split Omaha) Could Make Its Debut on PokerStars

https://pokerfuse.com/news/poker-roo...s-split-omaha/


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Old 02-22-2019, 10:29 AM   #142
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Re: Stars introduces Split Hold'em

could just run it twice ...
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Old 02-23-2019, 02:46 PM   #143
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could just run it twice ...
double board run it twice, 4 boards!
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Old 02-23-2019, 03:25 PM   #144
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Re: Stars introduces Split Hold'em

Nicely written article anuj22, congrats!
Keep it that way.
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Old 02-25-2019, 11:16 AM   #145
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Nicely written article anuj22, congrats!
Keep it that way.
Thanks, really appreciate it
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