This one seems more risky than some of the other things they've done.

While this game is new the good players are going to destroy the bad players and then the game will likely die before pokerstars can turn this into a raktrap.

that is just variance. Shoving with AK on said board will hardly result in a noticeable negative EV, except, of course, the negative EV forced upon you by the rake.

I can't stop comparing this to run it twice. Though run it twice was first implemented by FTP while they were still independent, it was arguably the first step towards this rake feast that pokerstars has now become. And back then everyone loved it.... if only they knew what was coming.

I just played 2k hands of 10nl



Rake:

Thats like 17-18bb/100h

Nice. More rake is obviously better. More chests for example. Thank you Supreme Leader Daniel Negreanu.

I know it's a rake trap, but could you post your VPIP/PFR? I want to convince a buddy of mine.

PEOPLE, DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME. INSTEAD, GIVE PARTYPOKER A SHOT!

Plz don't use logic to destroy my posts ok

AK on
AT3
K49

then

People keep saying "give partypoker a shot" as if it isn't riddled with bots, awful software and cheaters using HH converters that Party can't catch.

Save us Galfond.

20/17 lol

You've posted nearly 9,000 times in 10 years. What have you been doing here the whole time?

Nice save. Sick beat if villain has QJ and a gutshot hits both boards.

partypoker has the worst software EVER. most bots on any site lol no thank you

No - two board hold'em has been a pretty common home game here in the Isle of Man for a very long time because it was fun

I don't know what the specific catalyst was for the game being developed by PokerStars, but it has certainly been a fun game to play for a few orbits around here for a very long time amongst various folks in the local poker industry.

Finding faults in other sites is exactly what led us down the path to where we are now collectively.

7 years ago when things started shifting players ignored the trend of Pstars and didn't do anything about it and by not protesting effectively an inch was taken at a time.

Other sites may have faults... but after enough is taken away from you, you'll find that those faults are worth it. Why not move now so the last few inches aren't taken.

Players have allowed this to happen by solely looking out for their own short term interests.

What was the rake in those fun games?

I don`t trust sites without screennames and proper HHs in cash.

Villain might have 22 so you at least will win.. oh wait.. nevermind..

I kinda like split hold’em for a couple of hands with people who like to gamble. As soon as you have two or more players who put thought into it, hands take forever. That’s the main reason we stopped including split PLO, because it felt like every hand took 10-15 minutes.

How long do hands on Stars take compared to a regular NLHE hand?

How on earth do you 12-table this stuff?

I guess the whole format is, among other things, a big **** off to anybody who wants to multi-table.

I just watched some LATB and I would love for Pokerstars to introduce "Bomb pot Poker". IIRC, every player has to put in x big blinds pre flop, there is no raising pre flop so every player sees the flop and it goes from there. Seems like a fun idea.

Funny. Back in the day when the HS games were drying up everyone was complaining about bumhunters and how we need anonymous poker and now we got it, it's terrible.

Agree that their HH system needs work, other than that their software is pretty similiar to other sites.

How big is the rake in the IoM home game? Without rake, the game is fun; with a 4.5% one, even on split pots, it's flushing money down the drain unless 75%+ of the opponents at the table are weak.

I don't see how Split HE can be popular in the long term without a jackpot. Spin & Go Max is sustainable because it gives enough 'winning moments', though I'm not sure if winning the BI back (in the games with a 4 BI prize pool, split 75%/25%) counts as such, but at least it's a full BI, not 0.955 BIs like in split cash pots, winning 10+ BIs in a single game surely does and is frequent enough (happens at least once in a few hours). Split HE mostly gives 'slightly losing moments' when split pots are raked.

888poker used to have 'Flopomania', where everyone paid an ante and the betting started at the flop. It was introduced last August but removed from the lobby this February. It was using a blind seating system which was like the Seat Me used in Split HE, but without a thought-out system of penalties for table selection, thus, as far as I understand, Flopomania fell victim to seat scripters.

This month, Winamax.fr has launched the 'FLOOOP' game that's similar to Flopomania.

coon74,

Sect7G and watevs got to the "how big is the rake in the IOM" joke first. You'll have to work harder next time.

I think the rest of your "analysis" on the sustainability of the game is of little value, because you do not consider how many people are depositing to play the game, or how much fun it is for the players.

This is like evaluating the value of a chair, and only considering how much it costs - and failing to consider the features, what it does, and how much demand there is for it.

We're yet to see if Split HE increases the stream of deposits. What it will surely do is allow Stars to turn a bigger share of the existing deposit stream into rake.

Right now, weak players indeed seem to be in abundance at the Split tables, and I do agree that the ability to win at least half the pot most of the time makes the action looser, however, I suspect that most of the people who're trying the game out now will soon realise that the ratio of the variance to the rake is too low, and that they can get a better gambling value on their dollar in other CGs and esp. tourneys than in Split HE.

I rather see Split HE as an attempt to save CGs from extinction and reignite the interest to poker in the part of the audience that's too risk-averse to play KOs and Spin & Gos.

I.e. I hope that Split HE has no potential to cannibalise Spin & Go Max in the long term - they cater to different groups of people

From your time at Stars, you probably know the numbers like what percentage of players even know how much rake they pay. I think the average 2+2 poster vastly overestimates that number.

Not too different from a small buy-in event at the WSOP where the number of players who know the exact rake might be lower than the number of players that aren't even aware that they have to pay to play the tournament.

Or if opponent has TT or 33...

A reaction video of some tilt monkey on Twitch losing via double rivered deuces to some donk that shoved preflop would be pretty epic.

Aside from the split pot rake I think I might enjoy this variant.

A large percentage of recs are aware of the average time that their deposit lasts. The bigger the rake, the smaller the lifetime of a deposit; the fewer regs there are in the game, the bigger the lifetime. In the equilibrium, higher-raked games have fewer regs per table, so recs' lossrates are about the same, the difference is that most of those losses land into Stars' shareholders' bank accounts, and that high-raked games are making regs redundant and poker grind less viable as a profession.

My point is that recs' lossrates in Split HE have to be much lower (i.e. the winrates less negative) in order for them to enjoy the game as much as normal CGs because doubling up is less frequent in Split HE (in terms of double-ups per dollar of rake, probably not per 100 hands).

On a side note, I think that the lack of 'winning moments' was the reason why Beat The Clock died, or should I say, why Stars failed to find a price point for it that would satisfy both Stars and enough players. A significant share of the prize pool was distributed among those prizes that were less than 1 BI and thus didn't feel like winning.

Actually, a game with 3 boards would be fine with me - at those times when I'd win at least 2/3 of the pot, I'd enjoy a net win despite the rake.

Perhaps the Power Up bugs slowed developers down too much, prompting them to release this crude 2-board variant that requires little programming due to the existing implementation of RIT. They had to release something in the spring, were probably planning a more innovative variant, could have made Pineapple, Holdem Hi/Lo, whatever novelty, but the PU issues took their time away.