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03-26-2018 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by robert_utk
In 6BB per 100 crushing in NL???
At $100+ABI, yeah that's crushing.

At sub $10 ABI, that's still very good and probably in the 1-4th percentile, so technically crushing.
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03-26-2018 , 04:16 PM
ABI = average buy in. Are you referring to MTTs or cash games? Win rates are measured in terms of ROI in MTTs, not bb/100.
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03-26-2018 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
ABI = average buy in. Are you referring to MTTs or cash games? Win rates are measured in terms of ROI in MTTs, not bb/100.
MTTs and yes they are measured by ROI, but you can bink some massive tournament and not be a great player and have good ROI, but you'll never have a good bb/100 rate if you suck at the game.

https://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-S...s/ZeeWhyZeeZee

After about game 400, I was playing at around 21bb/100 and I still had downswings and I was VERY close to some massive cashes where I could've easily been up 3k+, but the graph doesn't really show that.

Bb/100 is a much better metric to me, it peels away the veneer of the ROI.
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03-26-2018 , 05:41 PM
I'm certainly not happy about this move and except for perhaps a live event I doubt I'll play a single hand on Stars and it's 100% due to how they've treated their loyal customers. I cut my play to 5% a few years back.
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03-27-2018 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
That people who say pokerstars (or any business) is "greedy" are not living in the real world if by that they mean that said business should want to have less than the max.

People who by "greedy" just mean excessively short-termist are on the same team as the people who are using the kill-goose example and are actually saying something relevant to how Pokerstars should be run, so should try to express themselves in a way that makes it clear they are in this group rather than the first one.
I don't disagree with this. Same goes for people who imply that being greedy as company is the same as being shareholder-value maximizing, thus my remark.
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03-29-2018 , 04:30 PM
i still see no overlays so it seems like a good move from stars #exploitingpros
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03-29-2018 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by samooth
I don't disagree with this. Same goes for people who imply that being greedy as company is the same as being shareholder-value maximizing, thus my remark.
Who is to say increasing rake now is maximizing long-term SH earnings? It could be greedy in a sense, and may be short-sighted if some games die.

This is a discussion on PS rake changes. No **** stars executives have a duty to maximize SH earnings.
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03-30-2018 , 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by weaktightreg
i still see no overlays so it seems like a good move from stars #exploitingpros
It will be clearer in 2 weeks when it's no longer Easter (Russia also has it in one week).
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04-03-2018 , 02:04 AM
belive it or not we may get more bonus offer from it...
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04-17-2018 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
It will be clearer in 2 weeks when it's no longer Easter (Russia also has it in one week).
So how was last weekend? Were there overlays?
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04-17-2018 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 7OAD
One thing I'm interested in from a purely business perspective is the market segmentation they used:

1.Very losing players: -5 bb/+
2.Pretty losing players -2-4 bb/
3.Barely losing players 0--1bb/
4.Barely winning players 0-1 bb/
5.Winning players 2-5bb/
6.Crushers 6bb+/

Of those players, it's likely that most 1-2s barely follow poker online beyond maybe watching a stream here and there or watching some highlights, whereas the people that really follow online are 3-6.

And between them, if you're already a loser, losing a bit more doesn't hurt that much if we're being honest, whereas if you're barely a winner or barely a winner this crushes you, winning players (5) can somewhat weather it and crushers will keep playing no matter what.

So IF Stars thought they were just going to remove the 1-2bb WINNERS, this could actually improve the poker eco system in terms of making it even easier, however obviously I am not for it, but I have posted my graph and I crush at $5ABI so all this means for me is less turbos and no hypers going forward.

This is the sort of parasitic and seemingly spiteful move we are getting all too used to in the western world and it could be disastrous if people started some initiative where when playing they typed something like "POKERSTARS INCREASED THE RAKE, THAT MEANS THEY ARE TAKING 10% MORE FROM YOU THE PLAYER, COPY AND PASTE THIS SO OTHERS CAN KNOW" as news would spread quickly and a good chunk of players would find out and we would then see what the TRUE consequences, not just the consequences they desire, are.


Eliminating marignal winners and marginal losers is pretty much a wash from their perspective.

By charging more in rake they eliminate the low to zero value groups 3/4 and capture a greater share of the money made by group 5 off of 1/2. It's definitely a win for them. Even better if group 5 ditches the game out of frustration.

Most casino business models are built so no one wins at any game. Not sure why we should expect poker to be treated any differently.
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04-21-2018 , 06:43 AM
Gotta charge extra rake when you're interested in spending nearly $3 billion on a major sports betting-casino-bingo company. The Stars Group is trying to buy SkyBet. https://news.sky.com/story/canadas-s...talks-11340213
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04-21-2018 , 06:46 AM
The pound is worth more than that. This is closer to a 3.65B USD deal.
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