JokeStars: Pay us a bit more, and you'll get the chance to pay us less.

Evidently it's different from player to player, but currently I need 1200 points i.e. I need to pay $12 in rake to unlock a bronze chest.

I do have 360 points of "boost" though, which means for the next $3.60 worth of rake I generate twice the amount of points.

Thus I need to pay $9,40 in rake to unlock this bronze chest, so I guess that's about 11% rakeback for this one.

I had silver status in the old VIP system and played fairly regularly.

Did they remove VIP status in denmark?

They did, yes.

No that's not correct, sorry for the confusion. When I said "pay table" I meant it in the sense of a slto machine or video poker pay table. I should have said "payout table" to be clear.

All I meant to say was: They published the different prizes that can be inside the chest and the probabilities of each. From there you can work out the EV on each Chest. Like with CardMatch etc. The Chest is "free" to open once you earn it through play.

It is "personalized", so no. You're right, it's useless on its own. But, once a player gets their progress bar and sees how much it will take them to complete it, the table will be useful to see on average how much that is worth. From there, someone can work out their own personal expected "rakeback" for that chest.

Edit: Just like Molterjet did above.

well, ****

And 8.77% rakeback for any chests you open after that one on the same day. Bargain!!!

Please, sir, can I have some moar.

Seems like there is the same big disconnect between Pokerstars / Amaya higher ups and what their players want / like as there is between politicians / media / elite and the everyday person on the street.

Wonder how this one is going to work out.

I think this guy has the answer to your question.

Sick, assuming you have played NL2 cashgame under the old system, you'd have had 27-38% rakeback (Silverstar, 10VPPs/1$ rake) , so up to 70% less under the new system. Looks like it's even hitting hard Micro-stakes.

My first gold chest comes out at an expected Rakeback of 3,889%. I need 18k points (180$ rake) to unlock it and the ev of the chest is about 7$. I play high stakes but that's more than an 85% reduction. Maybe the expected rakeback is higher for some of the other chests (wouldn't surprise me if it's not).

f me
so a 5/10 player has to pay $1.8million on average to get a chest that contains a buy in
i wonder what you need to pay if you have to redeem a platinum chest with the same top prize
$5million? $10million maybe?

3.889%

Americans can't play on stars anymore mate Most of Pokerstars' market uses commas as decimal seperators.

They don't do so when they are writing in English unless they forget.

posts like this are hilarious.
there is some truth in it but it's so disingenuous.

"hey we wanna mass multitable,use all kinds of sophistacted software, seat script, use the dealth method of rakeback for years on end but fish aren't stupid and we care about them"

Any REC from Denmark here? Would really be interesting to see if it's also in the ballpark of 10% (which would make it an incredible money-grab from Amaya)

Pretty sure people understood my post. I was just sharing some information about the new system, not writing an English essay. Chill.

Not everyone would realise it wasn't just a random huge number for the purpose of irony. That's why I posted the clarification.

But I'll chill about the mistake if you chill about the clarification

https://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/w...enmark_101031/

So you're suggesting giving out less rewards and/or aiming at unbeatable poker variants is good for recreational players? I'm obv arguing from a reg perspective (btw I never mentioned any software or such, u made that up) but if u wanna attack that, try to target the argument instead of my motivation...

Thx to the Danish guys keeping players informed.


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I thought high stakes has no RB? Are 5/10+ getting RB now?

In the long term, Stars random rakeback rewards will regress to a mean of about 3.50%.

I was referring to sngs. 5/10 is unchanged.