The variance in these player pools week on week is waaaaay to high to read anything in to how soft you found the tables today compared to last week.

its gonna take a month before we can see what the impact actually looks like

ETA negative valued chests if regs still win too much ?

I'm totally confused by this new format...is there any strategy involved to max your payout, for example, do you just open the chest whenever you can? Any cliffs? The built-in descriptions/rules don't really help tell much.

guys the chest are awesome i got 12 coins, i am so happy. after that i ban myself from pokerstars.

i do not understand if there is a gto way to opening chest but even if it does you go from 4% to 5% rakeback lol

Help a brother out, I'm totally clueless here lol.

you have to click on your chest when pokerstars expect it the least

chests just like the million e-sport games with the same feature probably are rolled on the 'drop table' as soon as you get it, doesn't matter when you open it it will have the same outcome. Open asap or collect a bunch to open all together, either way you end up with a middle finger from amaya. Enjoy!

This obv. Were people seriously trying to assess the impact of the new system on the playing population after 1 day?

Amaya right now https://i.imgur.com/TOyy4PO.mp4

Anal

A system being so unpredictable and volatile worries me greatly.

i want to go back to 2006 plz.

Just 2010 with this knowledge and experience is enough for me.

Just waiting for the powerfulreg coming here shouting 'see seee SEEEEEE told you so all the losing be nits are gone GOOOOONe'. Really curious is he still thinks this is good for the games when all the regs are still out there and the only thing missing is the rb.

Yeah, don't expect the populations of 100 bb NLH cash games and non-hyper MTTs to change quickly - the all-in EV as a measure of relative skill converges slowly in deepstack formats, while regs will be collecting large 'after July 6' samples before making drastic decisions.

The population of PLO will change faster, that of hyper SNGs - much faster because the ICM EV converges much faster there.

Myself and every other genuine crusher would gladly have 0 rakeback or even pay more rake if it forced all the nitty seat-wasters getting between the good players and the casuals to leave. Negreanu totally nailed it when he said that more rake benefits the game. High Stakes players don't get any rakeback and you don't see them making threads in fits of tears - they are doing rather well.

I know your response already..

My question is why aren't all the obvious ballers in this thread just moving up to play at high stakes then where this won't affect them? I'll tell you why; because they're all bad, nitty and breakeven and the fact they feel that such mediocre ability affords them an opportunity to make money at the beautiful game is honestly quite pitiful.

Then why you don't/can't play highstakes?! Also, we can bet any amount up to 6 digits that you never will make it there. Such a great Poker-player like you for sure doesn't want to miss such a great opportunity for a +EV-bet.

2bb/100 nl2 pro confirmed

Well been there done that personally myself. I mean when 888 got rid of the rewards and I was **** it the games are super soft anyway only to realize after a month or 2 I was winning a lot less compared to basically any site when I was geting rakeback.

I mean it is very easy to be blindsided by the perceived softnes of the field. I mean you open the tables and you are like wow they are so good but in the long run you would be probably better off playing tougher tables on high rakeback sites. Still we are human and there is the path of least resistence we follow as default so for many it will take a while to realize how badly they are screwed by Pokerstars. I wouldn't be suprised tbh thats this is exactly what Pokerstars count on.

Just had a thought - 2nl-10nl have had another (hidden) rake increase due to the removal of VPP's. Previously those stakes earned more VPP's per $ than higher stakes.

Even Chrome/Bronze microstakes players will have had a large relative reduction in rewards due to that. Seems really bizarre - the whole reasoning behind moving away from the high rakeback/high volume system was to reward casual players.

Even for a troll that dude is dumb as a boot.

that's correct, wow, how greedy can they be?

re previous discussion, I am aware that I can't completely determine pool being softer from 2 days of observation, just mentioning the trend

The problem is that the reward change is not going to force nits to leave quick, for the reason explained by many people above - regs are too conservative and tend not to move to another site unless they have clear evidence that they're winning so much less at Stars that the superior (in their opinion) quality of Stars' software fails to compensate for the winrate deficiency.

As for Negreanu's rhetoric, though I agree that the way Stars Rewards are delivered (chests instead of more boring steps) does attract casuals a bit better (would do so much better if the chests were more entertaining like in video games), I'm not convinced that a reward system with the same delivery mechanism but several times higher magnitude of rewards for casuals wouldn't do the trick better. E.g. Unibet's Challenges are much more lucrative to casuals and loose players than Stars Rewards while not giving much to nits either.