considering theres plexiglass up you have to wear a mask and there are still only 8 people touching the cards i really dont think NGC is going to shut the venetian down over letting him play with the help of an aide for 1 tournament and think of a solution for when this happens again

I'd have a lot more sympathy for her if her immediate reaction wasn't to manipulate social media with lies to go viral with some weird cancel culture bullshit.

Maybe if she had called the day before, or even just a few hours before, and explained the situation it would have turned out different. She probably would have had a chance to bring up recent negative covid test results. Instead, she takes 0 responsibility for the situation and expects everyone to just mindlessly cater to her (his) needs. That isn't how reality works, though judging by her response, maybe it's worked that way for her thus far

Yeh, this just sounds like someone with a sad/disadvantaged life trying to annoy the system. Don't flood the courts with bs like this. The people, who are working the cardroom, are just normal people, working making 30 dollars an hour. Don't ruin their life by getting them fired because you got a bad dice roll on life and carry hate everywhere you go.


Just take their apology, and move on.

Again, a disabled person should not have to call or ask ahead of time whether a business if going to uphold their basic civil rights under the federal law.

And this is a case where the letter of the law and the spirit of the law agree. Under the letter of the law, the federal ADA is superior to whatever covid restrictions a state or locality has in place. And under the spirit of the law, the disabled person should be accommodated because the necessary accommodation does not in reality create a significant risk to anyone.

Oops, sorry. When I saw the post, I figured it was from your Facebook.

To the second question, you would hope a negative COVID test – assuming it's so recent that they could not likely have become infected in the time since – would allow for exceptions for anyone, disabilities or otherwise.

I've been hoping (and still do hope) that better testing might allow for loosening up on certain COVID-related restrictions. As an extreme example, I would rather be in a packed theater with 1,000 people who tested negative minutes before than to be in a sparsely packed room of 200 people who were not tested nor screened at all.

And eventually they were accommodated. It could of been done a lot smoother if the helper wasn’t such a spaz and just used his or her brain for 5 mins at some point that day before they went to all the trouble to play in 1 tournament at a casino.

Maybe next time should try playing online

Also who are you to judge it didn’t pose a significant risk to anyone if they weren’t prepared for this?

It’s not like people come to casinos everyday without being able to use hands looking to flip cards

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In a thread about the treatment of a disabled person. You can’t be serious

I don’t see how calling ahead would have been productive. It would have been much easier for the casino to say “no” on the phone....in which case I guess you just tell them you’re coming anyway and they’d better have their lawyers ready?

Maybe the people who are so scared of covid that one additional person in the cardroom will make them feel unsafe should try playing online.

For all we know, this person does in fact come to casinos everyday without being able to use their hands, seeing as how they are unable to use their hands everywhere they go every day.

I would imagine this person has played in many poker tournaments in the past with a helper and had every reason to expect there would be no problems this time.

Disabled people are just people like the rest of us.

Maybe you missed the original post where the caretaker insisted they were refused BECAUSE of his disability and how everyone needed to SHARE SHARE SHARE to spread this discrimination and she just HAD to empty his catheter in a crowded room

When they were actually trying to abide by coronavirus rules to be able to keep their doors open for the hundreds (thousands??) of other people who wanted to use the casino.

These are strange times we live in

Yeah your probably right was probably their intention to sue no matter what happened, I mean that was the first thought when they jumped on Facebook anyway right?

And during Covid everything has changed not just for disabled people but for everyone. I didn’t even know live poker in Vegas was up again.

And if it was me and the helper was standing behind me not covered by glass I would also be upset.

What if I got the Covid and spread it.....

Didn't we just have a thread about businesses being able to refuse business to anyone they want? If they don't want to subject their customers to extra coronavirus risk they don't have to

And it's not "one extra person in the cardroom" it's a 10th person at a 9 person table

He called the caretaker spaz. That’s on the same level of hurtful and derogatory as using the R-word.

News to me, but I'll take your word for it.

She certainly overreacted in her Facebook post and by causing a scene, and I think that is what was being implied

News to me too....just meant she acted crazy without thinking much

Under the ADA, a business can't refuse service to someone on the basis of disability, just like they can't refuse service on the basis of race under the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Is there anything in the ADA related to unprecedented worldwide pandemics and lock downs, and using your brain before ploughing an extremely disabled individual into a casino?

We almost certainly have a Karen here, and possibly a dirty rotten scoundrel. Not that conning Sheldon out of some dollar to enhance someone else's life is necessarily a bad thing.

Do you just make stuff up until it sounds good to you or something?

https://adata.org/guide/americans-di...ns-and-answers

Q. Does the ADA override federal and state health and safety laws?

A. The ADA does not override state or local laws designed to protect public health and safety, except where such laws conflict with the ADA requirements.

Protecting the General Public from a vicious global pandemic would far outweigh any temporary inconvenience "suffered" by someone who, due to preexisting disability, is unable to comply with COVID restrictions.

Thank you.

There are some truly horrible people in this thread.

in what timeframe do they need to be accommodated to not be at risk of violating ADA guidelines? Sounds like they rigged something up by the end of the day that would satisfy both guidelines. Is that quick enough? I have no clue. The fact that it was a tournament puts them in a spot where it would have been very hard to figure out a solution in time for him to be able to compete. Does that make them non compliant? Would it be different if he was trying to play a cash game?

The person in question wasn't refused because of their disability though! They were refused because they wanted to bring an extra person to the table, which would have meant the casino weren't abiding by the rules set to them about maximum number of people at the table. The casino have to follow these guidelines in order to stay open. We can argue until the cows come home about whether one extra person at the table would have made a difference to the spread of COVID (I think it's ludicrous personally but that doesn't matter, the rules are set in stone - x number of players to a table if they want to stay open), but that doesn't change anything.

I got nothing but sympathy for the guy, but everyone involved here knows full well that this has nothing to do with discriminating against the guy because he's disabled, and it's sickening that it's being portrayed as that (and even more sickening that they say it was some sort of necessity to empty the guy's catheter anywhere but the bathroom) in order to try and get some money from the casino.

your work has a pipeline to accept tests from a certain place and someone to check and verify

a casino does not have this kind of relationship with a caretaker of a disabled patron

in theory your argument holds water but in practice it does not. caretaker shows a negative test, the poker floor guy goes "ok what do you want me to do this this, this is outside my jurisdiction", poker staff walks around like chickens with their heads cut off and come to conclusion that covid guidelines of 9 per table are not bendable with 10th person that has a negative tests... because lawyers

+1million lock the thread

What you are quoting confirms exactly what I said:

The casino (at least temporarily) refused to make an easy accommodation to serve him. This is indeed a violation of the ADA. If they were worried about the number of players at the table, they could have just seated one less player at his table.

It sounds like they ultimately did comply, which is good. But they probably never would have complied if he and his helper didn’t make a big fuss about it, so I don’t see he can be criticized for this.