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09-16-2020 , 11:12 AM

#26

Couchsock

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Standoff? More like sit off! I’ll see myself out

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09-16-2020 , 11:26 AM

#27

TPeck

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Apparently his buy-in has been refunded, minus the rake of course.

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09-16-2020 , 11:42 AM

#28

bpb

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Venetian and every poker room should have already thought about this scenario and had a plan in place to deal with it. Disabled individuals requiring an assistant are nothing new. If complying with the ADA ran contrary to COVID19 regulations then before day 1 of poker they should have gotten very clear guidance from the NGC and their risk management team.

Morons.

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09-16-2020 , 11:49 AM

#29

lovedaphils

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Originally Posted by JohnCleese

What's stopping them from just popping to the toilet and emptying the catheter? The caregiver is the one making the point that he had to empty his catheter in front of everyone. All I'm saying is that in this context it's a moot point, and all it will do is incite people to shout prejudice.

The legal team likely told him to stay right there and don't move till we get there no matter what.

Sound advice...

Going to the loo looks bad for the cameras, "they retreated see they agreed with our decision".

I have no horse in this race, but from a legal standpoint you have to stay put. Hopefully some one tries to remove you...

The Under Armour sandals are SO DOPE.

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09-16-2020 , 12:28 PM

#30

Xaston

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Are they saying the table would have too many people at it? Tables aren't all the same number of players at all times anyway, make the table he is at n - 1 players, where n is whatever the regulation says is the maximum number.

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09-16-2020 , 12:29 PM

#31

PeteBlow

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The whole 'lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit' culture is sickening.

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09-16-2020 , 12:46 PM

#32

Pokerruca

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Originally Posted by golfbum983

What are the rules?

How can you even ask that question? What have humanity become to.

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09-16-2020 , 12:55 PM

#33

roflstomper

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Cool he can follow the rules like everyone else and join the rest of the country in not playing poker right now due to covid. You don't get to violate health mandates because you are disabled.

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09-16-2020 , 01:02 PM

#34

Clayton

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Originally Posted by TheFly

As I suspected, it was due to COVID regulations imposed by Gov't Authorities]

of course it was. casinos don't want to get whacked by govt or gaming.

it's on venetian to have not been prepared for this but to immediately cry an ADA foul is laughable.

you could have called days in advance and gotten clarity / preparedness but instead you subjected the man you're taking care of to multiple hours waiting around in a poker room and a catheter empty'ing. shame on you.

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09-16-2020 , 01:07 PM

#35

golfbum983

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Originally Posted by Pokerruca

How can you even ask that question? What have humanity become to.

His caretaker said he bought him in the tournament. If he didn’t think he should ask if it’s allowed first, then maybe it was the caretakers fault for not doing a little do diligence in the midst of a global pandemic.

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09-16-2020 , 01:07 PM

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Griesball

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Originally Posted by PeteBlow

The whole 'lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit' culture is sickening.

Maybe, but don't know why you need to say that here. Possibility of getting sued is also what protects us from being arbitrarily treated badly. It's easy to VS, but I think everyone would agree the Casino did not handle it well, so they better take care to make up for it.

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09-16-2020 , 02:21 PM

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locopollo

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it has to be because they were sharing like a plexi glass cubicule... i cant imagine them letting 2 people sitting together during a pandemic..

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09-16-2020 , 02:48 PM

#38

bpb

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Originally Posted by locopollo

it has to be because they were sharing like a plexi glass cubicule... i cant imagine them letting 2 people sitting together during a pandemic..

Like in every ****ing restaurant in the city, where they let 2 people in the same party sit next to each other ...

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09-16-2020 , 02:57 PM

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MikeyBu

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If that’s the new rules that’s the rules. Not the Venetians fault if that is what has to be imposed.

The regulation needs to be reviewed ASAP, seems a big oversight

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09-16-2020 , 03:16 PM

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TheFly

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Originally Posted by Xaston

Don’t think number of players is the issue. It’s the caretaker sitting outside the “plexiglass booth” that each participant at the table must confine themselves to be NGCB COVID compliant. I heard they found a solution of extending the plexiglass partition to accommodate a caretaker.

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09-16-2020 , 03:43 PM

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Gzesh

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Originally Posted by bpb

Like in every ****ing restaurant in the city, where they let 2 people in the same party sit next to each other ...

Yes, precisely.

Also, the point of plexiglass is to protect the players from any other player or staff.

It literally makes zero sense to argue that having the disabled person and his caretaker isolated in the same plexiglass vis a vis the other players is NOT allowed by Gaming regulations.

I'd also like to hear whether the V acted to get guidance from Gaming in real time .....

Sounds like an ADA claim, and a clear failure to make a reasonable accommodation for the disabled guy.

Settlement before suit is ever filed perhaps.

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09-16-2020 , 03:59 PM

#42

TheFly

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Originally Posted by Gzesh

...Also, the point of plexiglass is to protect the players from any other player or staff.

It literally makes zero sense to argue that having the disabled person and his caretaker isolated in the same plexiglass vis a vis the other players is NOT allowed by Gaming regulations.

I believe the current plexiglass specifications and configuration did not allow the caretaker to be in the same "plexiglass booth" as his ward, he was outside the players plexiglass booth and therefore not COVID compliant according to NGCB.

I believe at least one plexiglass booth partition(s) has been extended to allow for a caretaker and ward to fully fit in the partition.

On another note, got to love lawyers frothing at the mouth over the prospect of lawsuits in the middle of a pandemic when everyone is just trying to learn and accommodate as best they can with all the new rules and regulations.

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09-16-2020 , 04:21 PM

#43

JohnCleese

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What's the logic in lawsuits and settlements here?

Disabled guy couldn't play poker because casino was worried it breaks covid regulations. This leads to the disabled guy being so deeply affected that he needs a ton of money to compensate the massive mental stress he went through?

I'm going to be more mentally stressed just thinking about how crazy that is. I'm going to sue the caregiver and the Venetian.

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09-16-2020 , 04:21 PM

#44

coordi

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My prediction is no money awarded

Of course everyone is jumping to conclusions to talk about how disgusting the situation is when they don't know up from down in the situation.

Last edited by coordi; 09-16-2020 at 04:40 PM.

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09-16-2020 , 04:22 PM

#45

Gzesh

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Originally Posted by TheFly

I believe the current plexiglass specifications and configuration did not allow the caretaker to be in the same "plexiglass booth" as his ward, he was outside the players plexiglass booth and therefore not COVID compliant according to NGCB.

I believe at least one plexiglass booth partition(s) has been extended to allow for a caretaker and ward to fully fit in the partition.

On another note, got to love lawyers frothing at the mouth over the prospect of lawsuits in the middle of a pandemic when everyone is just trying to learn and accommodate as best they can with all the new rules and regulations.

I tend to doubt Gaming was called to provide any specific guidance by the V.

(I don't know whether you are saying there is precedent to allowing an "extended booth", but not for this disabled guy ?

I also do not see where the V was "trying to learn and accommodate as best they can", but you likely have different information than what was posted in the thread.

I don't handle ADA litigation at all, but are you arguing that the pandemic gutted disabled persons' ADA rights ?

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09-16-2020 , 04:32 PM

#46

PeteBlow

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Originally Posted by Griesball

I say it here because it was mentioned so much in initial replies, before any questions about actual circumstances.

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09-16-2020 , 04:35 PM

#47

golfbum983

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America, where people believe they should sue for anything because everyone else is doing it.

Maybe the caretaker should of looked into if this was allowed before he just demands they do as he wish’s because the guys disabled.

If the caretaker gives the whole table corona bc he doesn’t fit in the glass can the whole table sue the disabled guy?

I def wouldn’t want to be the player next to these guys without glass in Vegas during a pandemic

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09-16-2020 , 04:50 PM

#48

NickMPK

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Originally Posted by golfbum983

There is specific federal legislation (the ADA) requiring the casino to make an accommodation allowing him to play.

So no, the caretaker should not have been required to "look into if this was allowed" because the casino is already legally required to permit it (or at least allow something similarly effective).

If you really think this appreciably increases the chances you will get a virus, maybe you shouldn't be playing live poker in the first place.

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09-16-2020 , 04:52 PM

#49

coordi

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So, they should throw out covid regulations for ada regulations?

I guess its that simple. Case closed. Give the man 35 million

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09-16-2020 , 04:56 PM

#50

smoothcriminal99

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I think there were ways to accommodate him as others pointed out by having his table play with 1 less player but without giving ANY notice I think it is unreasonable to expect accommodations and unfortunately safety regulations supersede prior code compliance in times of emergency. I sympathize with his strife for normalcy but in extreme situations (corona virus regulations) accommodations need to be made and might require prior notice.

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