Yes, and?
One of most important factors driving women out of the game is that casinos no longer offer the sort of games that most women want to play.

yeah go play limit and theres plenty of women

agreed, my local casino doesn't offer any limit games, not even limit hold'em

I'm surprised Jennifer Harman wasn't mentioned.

Allen Kessler won a 56 player donkament last week

Yes it's shocking they don't cater to unpopular games that don't interest people anymore.

We've had this discussion before but basically you want to act like it's men driving women away from poker when the primary reason there aren't that many women playing poker is they simply aren't interested in poker to begin with especially nl and plo which are the games most played these days.
You act like there were tons of women grinding online during the boon and a bunch of sexist savages drove them all away in live poker rooms. Just because yes some women are scared bc of the way some Neanderthals treat them at the poker table that's not the main reason they don't play. It's like you can't accept they simply aren't that interested in poker itself. And guess what- that's the way the world is. There aren't hobbies, tv shows etc that don't have an audience that largely naturally skews towards one gender. Some skew a lot more than others. You honestly believe it if wasn't for a small member of men behaving like idiots we'd have maybe a 70/30 split of men and women in poker rooms today which is laughable.

kendall.

part of the reason less women play is cause of dumb things like the vanessa selbst joke

I've never said most of these things.

I've never said "there were tons of women grinding online during the boon".
I've said there were a lot more women playing live poker before the poker boom.

I've never said "a bunch of sexist savages drove them all away" or "if wasn't for a small member of men behaving like idiots we'd have maybe a 70/30 split of men and women".
I don't believe overt sexism is the reason the number of women is declining. There's certainly some overt sexism in poker, but there was likely more of it 40 years ago when there were actually more women playing.
I do believe that many women are turned off by the idea of playing at a table entirely full of men. But I think it's the simply lack of representation in the room rather than active bad behavior by men that is the main obstacle here.

Now, I do dispute the notion that women "simply aren't that interested in poker itself."
You seem to be equating "poker" with "NLHE and PLO", when in fact, poker represents a much greater diversity of games.

I think there is something to the notion that more women may be drawn to limit games than no-limit games (compared to men). But that doesn't mean that women just aren't interested in -poker-. I've played a few different home games where >30% of the players were women. The women were just as engaged and competitive as the men. But we also tried to change up the games with a lot of dealers choice, or running a tournament for a different game each month.

The issue with the popularity of mixed games is that during the poker boom, a ton of people first became exposed to poker by watching tournaments on TV. And NLHE is indeed much better as a TV tournament format than limit games are. So the way that poker rooms brought new players in is to offer them the same game they saw on TV. For a long time, poker rooms (and poker pros) could succeed by bringing in more new players who only knew NLHE from TV than they lost among the old players who loved other games.

But how are new players being brought into the game now? Poker is no longer popular on TV. It's "popular" on YouTube and streaming, but this is almost exclusively among people who are already engaged in the poker community.

I've thought for a while now that the best audience to cultivate potential new players is people who play social games online. And this audience is primarily women!

This audience likes quick, low-stress, but still high-skill games with a social aspect. And this doesn't describe the poker we see on streaming...either the cash games with 500 BB buy-ins, triple straddles, and double-board PLO bomb pots, or the Triton tournaments with time banks, stare downs, and GTO solvers. Yet it does describe low-to-mid-limit mixed games perfectly.

There's a Russian girl called Tatiana Barausova that used to murder the High Stakes games on Stars.

Very few knew about her.

She went by the username Mysters_Y.

I'd bet that she's the best female poker player of all time.

she didnt murder the hs games on stars

she was, at one point, decent at 1knl but nowhere near the top

made pokerstars pro because of her presence though, so i think quite a lot of people (especially those around longer) know her

Drop dead gorgeous to boot. Why were people like Vanessa Rousso and Kitty Kuo so well known but not her? Because live donkaments?

Based on the two posts above I think the only thing we are left with as a reason is... Women like being treated like a piece of meat. They used to be able to get that kind of attention from "neanderthals" at the poker tables in the past. But because of the "me too" movement in the past decade, men are now uncomfortable making the same kind of comments they did in the past. So now females don't play poker as often. Is that where we are at now?

It took almost 2 years of playing before I saw a girl younger than 40 in the poker room. Now there are TONS of female poker players relative to before the boom. I have been playing live poker since 2006, I know what I am talking about.


No, women dont like to play poker as much as they would because its a male dominated environment and men are very rude and aggressive in poker rooms, the opposite of what women are looking for.

there are way more women playing poker now than before. easily 10x as many now as before the boom.

Well no ****.
Meanwhile main event entries have gone from like 200 to 10,000 so if course there are also more women playing today.

This certainly hasn't been my experience. I feel like there were a lot more women playing when I started playing live poker (same as you around 2005) than there are today. The LHE and O8 tables I was playing back then (which were still at least at popular as NLHE) were ~15-20% women. When I've played more recently (more NLHE since the other games are rarely spread), I'd be surprised if it was 5% women.

That said, I don't play much poker anymore, so if the environment has changed drastically in the past ~5 years, it's possible I just haven't put in enough volume to notice. But it sure doesn't seem that way from the stats I've seen...wasn't there a statistic that 2 year ago, only a single women under 25 entered the Main Event (Vivian Saliba)?

AAHBOP

the environment has changed drastically the past 5 years

This

During recent Vegas trips before, during, and after WSOP, playing low stakes LHE and O8, I was seated with plenty of women. Now the average age of these women are at least 40+, but I would say 8/10 cash tables had 2-3 women.

For small buy-in tourneys, at least 1 woman per starting table I played.

I follow a few younger women on social media that seem to be in the LA/LV areas and play 1/3 & 2/5 (not professionally). It seems like they are usually introduced by a boyfriend or male acquaintance, this is probably the only way that most will ever sit at the table.

No they don't play poker because most don't like playing poker. Not sure why thats so difficult to understand

Anyone see Junglemans latest podcast with the siberian chick?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teZ4oIyTyxI

Andrijana Gligoric - she wants to be the #1 female player in the world...her words not mine :P

Went from NL5 to NL100 in a year.


That goal of hers reminds me of every millennial who wants to be rich by 25

This.

Limit games tend to be friendlier and more social. They can also be more fun to play for strucutural reasons.


However. I think its also important to acknowledge that many poker rooms didn't really do a good job policing the harassment and other abusive behaviors that many female players faced. And this led to greater atrophy in the player pool.

One thing I do find unusual is that I haven't heard of many or even any rooms doing promotions aimed at getting a larger female players base.

Aside from the odd women's only tournament - and lots of places haven't even managed to restrict those to women.

Why is that odd?

It's like trying to run a tournament for 1% of the population

If women were only 1% of the potential poker audience, they wouldn’t get 1300 entrants at the WSOP Ladies Tournament.

The absolute best thing a poker room could do to encourage women to play is to hire a bunch of women prop player to make sure that women aren’t forced to sit at a table entirely full of men when they do want to play.

I just dont think card room owners give that much of a sh**

They're probably doing just fine enough not to care....if i had to guess (again because of the 1% of potential newcomers...yes 1% cuz thats probably what they think they could add to their networth if they went through all the trouble of hosting such promos)

Those 13000 entrants don't all come from the same geo, so that stat is worthless.