*** Warning: a crazy strike / mockery of P* idea ahead ***
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Originally Posted by slobaks
all would be fine if they introduced spin n goes 1st January , now , as Rusemandingo said they scum all of us(SNE grinders) , that's not fair when you reach 700k VPP's and they fkd u up 3months before you complete your chase...
For those who have 700K VPPs and are going for SNE next year as well (it's hard to predict the 2015 VIP program, though, but its details will be known before the New Year), the value of benefits they'll get for hitting 1M VPPs exceeds the amount to be raked. More precisely, the benefits are:
$4200 = the 800K milestone
$20000 = the 1M milestone
$5000 = the extra WCOOP ME ticket sold out with a discount in the MP or swapped
$16800 = 1.05M FPPs for the remaining 300K yVPPs
$24000 = 1.5M extra FPPs (for SNE as opposed to SN) for the first 1M VPPs of 2015
Total: $70000 for 300K VPPs given for $54545.46 in rake, i.e. 128% rakeback equivalent.
The fact that it's bigger than 100% implies that just sitting down and flipping is +EV.
That has prompted me a crazy parody on 'casino games'.
[0. Take one-year loans so that the delays in some of the portions of the cashback (milestones, next year's extra FPPs) don't hurt the bankrolls; edit: or grind normally until hitting 800K VPPs and then flip, see below.]
1. Form groups of 9 SNE chasers each.
2. Add each other into Sharkystrator sitlists.
3. Choose a few limits and formats that are insignificant to the bankrolls but have a decent rake %, e.g. $7-15 regspeed 9-mans. (As an option, send each other $ compensations for losses after the job is done.)
4. Pick a non-chaser, add him on non-sit-lists and seat him in the same lobbies so that the lobbies aren't completely blocked and hence Stars can't object.
5. Fill up as many SnGs (with all the same 9 chasers) as the lobby speed allows.
6. In each such SnG, go auto-all-in in the first hand. (Don't create a bot, just press the all-in hotkey at 50 or so stacked tables.)
7. After the VPP-earning job for the year is done in a few hours, happily take a break and learn a new poker variant for next year's SNE chase because apparently 6-man hypers won't allow for it.
Surely, the profit won't be as big as if 'games of skill' were played, but the time spent will be much lower; the stretch will be the amount of cashback (next year's FPPs) that will yet remain to be earned.
Lock Poker is a bad example, but the fact is that it did allow HUSnG flips where high volume grinders were getting >100% cashback.
Edit: actually, there's no need for loans, you can grind up to 800K VPPs normally, and then the last 200K VPPs to the SNE will give ~100% cashback even without accounting for next year's extra FPPs. That's how ridiculously unbalanced the milestone system is.
Indeed, it's needed to rake $36364 to get the last 200K VPPs, whereas the gains are:
$20000 = the 1M milestone
$11200 = 700K FPPs
$5000 = WCOOP ME
$36200 total
The cashback % can be further boosted by flipping at microstake cash games, where 7+ VPPs are awarded per $1 of rake.
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If seriously, just grind any games where you don't fail completely, in order to get the VPPs - the 128% cashback perspective will make slightly -EV games slightly +EV.
Last edited by coon74; 10-10-2014 at 09:45 AM.