As usual, ******ed comment from Kelvis.
How the hell do you "ban" stables anyway?...

There actually has been alot of talks about implementing much stricter verification/identification process on certain "profiles" of players (determined by volume,stakes, winrate etc.), so to just dismiss it blindly is just ignorant.

But then again, it's 2p2, so I guess I can't expect any better.

I'm actually confused. I started playing poker a few years ago. Made my first steps with pokerstrategy.com and first thing I learned was from charts that the side offered. I stopped playing and came back recently.

I thought it was the norm to play with advanced charts? I just assumed everyone would do it. How is that cheating? Do I understand something wrong here? What does it change if it isnt allowed to open the charts during play?

In worst case scenario you can just memorize every single chart and the result will be the same??

Sure everyone is getting better. Its the internet nowadays. Technology and knowledge is evolving and it is shared.


So the whole point is just that these guys are using a software instead of memorizing it? Or what is the actual "cheat" here?

Excuse my bad english Im not a native speaker.

whoever plays with ranges gotta be banned bro!!!!

Dunno if I got trolled or youre being serious

So if I got ranges memorized in my head or developed on my own Im "cheating" too?

In a game like poker which is pure maths isnt it normal that someone will develop formulas or guidelines on how to play the game? How does it matter if its digital or if someone wrote a book and selled it on amazon.

If its just the comfortable software that you guys are bugged about I can understand it somehow. But still.. memorizing 50 charts or something shouldnt be too hard and the result would be the same. You would just filter out all the lazy people who dont want to memorize so much information.

Yes but the exact problem here is theres tons of lazy people in stables who by following simple pre flop charts and rukes are still able to beat low stakes, up to $30 spins id day, and that floods the pool with regs who shouldn't be there because without the charts they wouldn't beat the games.

So you basically saying memorizing and using charts from ur head is taking same time/energy as just reading them? Hope ur kidding.

Everything takes mental energy. During play if you play from your head every preflop decision you make will cost you a ton of mental energy. It will cause that you will be able to play less tables for less time and probably with smaller postflop winrate therefore you will be able to play smaller stakes if you play multiple tables. Also if you tilt a bit you may forget some of the charts. Memorizing total linear charts are easier, like openraise top 40% and fold the rest, but try memorize a "GTO" husng preflop chart.

the amount of horse **** in this thread is tremendous!!!

sou you sayin that this guy should be banned too?
https://gyazo.com/82b159f6b4a2a93b670d9af36697ee67

no, i was trolling.

VaiBrasil, new account, probably a smartbacking founder

None of this is surprising in the slightest, neither is the outrage from people that only know one game and won't ever consider learning another that hasn't been analysed to the extent of NLHE

I am a lazy person and did not know this

I am going learn some charts and beat £30 spins? Which slots do you play 30 a spin ? Or is it any? And is there somewhere I can just print them from?

I don’t really fancy learning all charts. So basically I spin low and when it lands on certain reels like cherry cherry bar that means I should up my bet to 30?

Also heard that if slot has not paid out for long time , you start betting more on each line as it going pay out soon? Not sure this is true?

Also heard that stables are there just to cheat

Heard this from the horses mouth so must be true.

Actually can't tell if your a troll or not after skimming through your other posts.... if not then no you can't beat spins, we are talking about poker. if you are a troll then i guess your from some cheating stable who uses charts and your bitter you cant beat micro spins while using them?

ive know about 4 people banned already and it started few hours ago

imagine stars shutting down all the stables

got some more info
Minimum 5 people banned, but they are not from this mtt case. They are from smartspin/spin&go and havent been frozen before ban

Good news. Ban them all.

One of my poker friends thinks that the bans have no reason at all, that these are probably all decent upstanding citizens, and they are just trying to pull one over on poor ol' smartspin. Poor ol' smartspin, one like= one more smartspin member unfrozen.

Lol GG

This is wonderful news, lets hope the bans keep coming for all associated players.

What are the screen names of the newly banned accounts?

Thank you guys for giving us motivation to work harder.
We just got our accounts back, so see you at the tables.

Actually you won’t. Most of us are too well informed of you and other stables scummy cheating ways to be bothered playing online.

The casuals are catching on too. I make sure I inform them when playing live and the subject of online comes up

All the best with your careers

nice trol lambda1 stars has never reinstated a banned account

Sorry for my upcoming venting...

HU is a major part of spin gameplay, so a lot of former HU regs have switched over due to the similarity of the required skillsets. As you likely know, there's a long history of intricate policies and testing of the boundaries of the poker room rules in the HUSNG community in order to get as much advantage over non-regs as possible, incl. Sharkystrator queues and cartels / divisions.

Strong HU play involves focusing on the opponent and exploiting their leaks relentlessly. Especially at HU hypers and spins, equilibrium play isn't enough beat the rake by a comfortable margin, so exploits have to be found when facing a non-reg, to compensate for the rake that one pays when battling regs inevitably. So it's no surprise that HU regs are more Machiavellian on average than STT and MTT regs, though they normally obey the rules too.

Also, it was skier_5's GTO chart advisor for HU hypers that prompted the revision of Stars' third-party software rules at the end of 2015.

Another catalyst for that revision was Spinwiz, a tool that was creating Sharkystrator-like queues for the spin lobby for its users, making the seating non-random and biased against non-users (mostly recreational) and thus defying Stars' intention for randomness.

Both tools, with their then vast functionalities, had been legal at the time of their creation, which hinted to Stars that the old rules had been too weak. (Skier's tool has been remade into a database for strictly offline use to comply with the new rules. Spinwiz is dead, but as we've seen above, at less secure sites like Party, queueing still exists )

Fwiw, there's very little HU in Spin & Go Max (HU is reached only a few hands before the forced all-ins, if ever), so I have hope for that game and also KO SNGs being relatively cheater-free for a few years. That said, both have enormous rake as a huge shortcoming.

Accounts were frozen not banned. There is a huge difference and you should propably inform yourself better

It says they were banned, not frozen?