Imitless is banned? what???? can someone confirm
I know him and look at a ton of his hands
I hope some Spin N Go **** didn't get himto stop playing them highstakes cash games

Most shocking part:

it started from 10$ and it was/is mandatory xddd

$10 cartels. Stables are such a cancer on the game.

Easy to cheat as the entire game can be played from a chart without any thinking required. It's the same reason HU Hypers got destroyed by all the scumbags.

lmao, try playing spins using few preflop charts and let me know when you start crushing

What I'm talking about and what you're talking about aren't the same thing, good day mate.

This thread is so important that it really should be pinned at the top of NVG. Software like this (and stables) are a truly grave threat to online poker. The sites need to start clamping down with ruthless brutality on those guilty of even bending the rules.

Would it be possible for stars to make a statement?

pokerstars needs to crack down on stables asap

What did he do?

any news? what did stars say to all this? i see smartspin is still promoting their coaches and founders who are banned on stars, is it true?

I checked the last game dates for a handful of players who were listed as 'currently banned' and none of them have played on stars since the alleged ban. I guess that's a good sign, but I'm surprised this thread hasn't got more traction. Updates from those in the know would be good?

If limitless (excuse my spelling) and nl_profit were banned then that seems like a pretty big deal given their considerable success and the fact that they were both very well known.

if they are banned its a temp ban,right ? or is it something stars could perma ban ?

At this point u guys know as much as we. Nl_profit is ignoring everything about this thing. We also emailed partypoker to comment on this situation , cause it seams weird that they have ambassador that is accused in such big scam, but theres no reply whatsoever.
At this point im not quite sure what we really can do and how long we have to wait to decide what our next step gonna be.

Wow. That is probably the biggest bull**** ever to be posted here. You cheated, you got caught. End of story.

Who cares how long he was a member? Yes it was really nice of you to let him quit instead of letting him grind his ass of for 50% or less of the profits. How generous, you're amazing. This thread is full of proof.

Thanks to the whistleblower.

Hello,


I think this news are not very surprising.

We all know most of these stables are cheating. What almost every stables do are the following:
-ghosting on final table or in spins (twister, xpresso etc) 50-100x+ prizepools (literally it is the easiest to catch. Start phuking record every final table/ huge multipliers and then analyze what you see on their screen (screensharing skype, teamviewer? instaban). Wonder why I never heard any confiscated founds. I know personally a guy who hit 300k jackpot and was ghosted by 3 ppl. This just put avg joe on such a disadvantage in high prize pools.)
-preflop charts
-sharing hand histories and analyze population tendencies based on those (ohh yeah but mortals cant buy hand histories to make this edge gap smaller as we get insta ban if found out)

This just puts a huge disadvantage on guys like I am and otheres here who play alone.

Saying this that I was involved in a stable but left before my contract was over for shady things.
The problem with this that I was mostly with idiots in a spin stable and those guys couldnt count to 20 by themself, but managed to beat 15-30$ spins for marginal winrate, something they would have never accomplished alone. With charts and rules of thumbs they were semi bots. They just make games harder and also huge amounts of money goes to a third party and not the players themself.

someone said why would a big stable risk cheating with charts and whatever as they only gain small. No they not gain small, at least half of their players would go to the soup without those aids.

This rat being an ambassador just shows the state of online poker, with his edge sorting ""speechplay"" as he called, and all the mass last minute regs on guarenteed on party by plenos stable guys- more than what mtt players do to ditch the first couple levels with low hourly. lol Pleno himself said he had business meetings with Alvaro as well, we will never know if he has/had any stake on that business. Pleno also started his poker carrier as a bot hunter (integrity team) on MPN an other sites. lol (you go use your brain and figure what edge it gives you if can access to unlimited hhs)

Put your thin foil hat on baby, but wouldnt be surprised if most of the poker rooms have a guy like that inside. Who can tell little gaps in software (like in spin4play scandal, dont ever tell me someone just found the gap by themselves in stars lobby lol). Stables are millions of dollars businesses, therefore someone selling out inside info on poker rooms can make hundreds k of dollars. most of them just running in the shadows without any consequences if get caught. Even alvaros stable is going still and using his cheat graph to market that cancer to players.

I think in order to make online poker clean we should push for some sort of identification system. For example if you play more than 400 spins a month on 15$+ you should apply for a license. This license would mean you have to do every step that a player who is accused of cheating, IE recording surrounding as well as monitor, showing ID to camera etcetc.

Everyone knows bums who can just sell their ID for poker players for literally changes, especially in poor countries like Russia,Hungary etc. So yes they ban them, the next day they will make another account, possibly tweaking strategy a little bit to make integrity teams problem harder. But with IDing system you cheat and find yourself banned from lets say top 5 pokerrooms.


The thing is I never really heard any big ambassador talk about this at all. We dont know how often those players use any of those options, like making secondary accounts etc.


TLDR:
- Ban all the stables and accept collateral damage (which is like 0.0001% of stables?)
- poker license for players who play medium+ amounts of poker every month

yeah, poker licence

one has to be an idiot or a cheater to think like that.

also very happy that you make your points with logical statements

yeah...

Really? Anyone who disagrees with your idea that all regular players of medium stakes and higher needs to be licensed through a very onerous process is either a cheater and an idiot?

And then you follow it up with this...

The irony is...amazing.

Yeah the "poker license" is pretty lol.

Just ban them stables period. No need for a license of any sort.

Fett
Tell me what's irony in it, also with logical point my man, not just using ur authority. It's easy isn't it. The problem lies in just saying no in that manner. I try using logic and ur reply didn't have any. (maybe banning me will be easier)
If one say something in this case and its only no I still think its cheater or idiot. Otherwise can write more about opinion dont u think

Lols that making an hour of video footage is onerous. At least 2 hours of ur life lol that's a lot indeed Even a puking plumber or whatever need license. Yeah very idiotic to think you need one in poker also where you probably make more than a plumber lol.


I made my point clear with logic. Only banning stables/players do nothing as they can just make new accounts, or can make the financials without stars transfer (and possibly put the new cost on players). Or worst case stable just migrate from stars to second or third biggest rooms

But very curious how you ban them without license and make them not try again.

What we know is today you can cheat all you want behind an anonym nick and you can go months, get out lots of money and worst case you get a ban, get small percentage of your money confiscated-which is more a calculated cost of cheating and never make plyrs not want to cheat.

But you cheated or participated in cheater stable? Good, your license is gone as in stock trading and you lost your job forever

But now even alvaros stable is running lol, they built million dollars business on fraud. Consequences? Why shouldn't one do it as he does if one has ****ty heart, and the fact you basically steal don't matter to you?You get a shadow man , give them their finances-nothing on ur name anymore and profit. Stars should have to put their head on sticks to prove a point.

I'm open to discussion with logic but you guys just lol or say no. Not too mature

I thought the irony was pretty obvious, but here you go. You called someone an idiot or cheater, with no explanation of any kind, and then called him out for not making his points with logical statements - exactly what you did when you called him an idiot or cheater.

My reply seemed very logical to me. I think that perhaps you're confusing me with someone who said no to your idea - I actually didn't comment on it yet.

Wait, what? Why would anyone be banned? Believe it or not, some of us are able to read posts and reply without letting our emotions take over.

Well, you'd still be wrong.

Yes. But just because they don't, doesn't make them a "cheater or idiot".

To this point, no one's said it was idiotic. You're the only one calling people names.

Perhaps not onerous for pros. What about casual/recreational players - the ones you want playing?

Not sure where puking plumbers come into this, but I'd prefer they stay out of my house, at least until they're feeling better - with or without a license.

No one talked about recs. That's why I said over given limit AND volume.