I found the thread. Looks like a great read over some dinner tonight. Awesome on the 9 years my friend!

In other words, you would rather your son were the type of person to lie, cheat, steal, and court death due to a recreational drug than to likely make numerous thinking errors. Awesome.

To play devil’s advocate, some of the greatest pre-modern scientists believed in astrology, and it has been closely related to astronomy in many societies.

I call BULLSHIT on that more women are gullible than men.. How come they always believe me when I tell them Im broke and need a new bra.

LOL. Nothing like a long rant based on "your own personal experience", rather than "hard data". Maybe in the future, you should think about checking for hard data before coming to extreme conclusions like this? I can only think of a couple of ways you would come up with such an absurd figure as this - either you think the tiny sample size of women you know (this isn't a shot at you - the number of people any of us know is a tiny sample size) is somehow representative of women as a whole, or you have some very...interesting preconceived notions about women.

https://today.yougov.com/topics/ente...ieve-astrology

https://dailyfreepress.com/2021/11/0...%25%20of%20men.

https://www.idiva.com/opinions/opini...archy/18004894

https://www.astrology.co.uk/news/astrostats.htm



Are women more likely to believe in astrology than men? It would seem so - perhaps as much as twice as likely, according to those surveys. 90% of believers are women? LOL.

Given how far off your "personal experience" is on this one, perhaps you should question some of your other related beliefs. A good start would be reading up on why psychologists think there is a gender difference in belief in astrology. Spoiler alert: it's not because they are "more gullible".

We know you have money and don't indeed need another bra. We are humoring you ladies, and you believe it because we are scorpios, and libras, and cancers and we are "compatible." Lol.

I prefaced what I said by saying that I have no hard data, and I stand by the figure being 90% in the small sample size of my own life.

I live in the UK and the data you got from the poll shows that it is 2.2x more women, 30% women, versus 14% men, so my own experience although it seems skewed by the relatively small sample size, is it seems still correct in the sense that, in the UK, there is a significant difference.

I also believe that of the 14% of men, that a significant number of those men are gay men, because there are a lot of gay male professional astrologers in the UK and because one does see gay men sometimes, on TV and in movies, I haven't seen it in real life, discussing their star signs with each other, or one man asking the other what their star sign is.

Obviously a gay man is a man, but at the same time, some gay men, do have a feminine side to them, so perhaps elements of the female brain that heterosexual men do not have.

This doesn't of course adjust the 30% v 14% data, but it does add weight to the fact that those with feminine traits, are more likely to be attracted to astrology.

What the polls don't tell you is how many of the people polled that said they believe in astrology then act upon their beliefs, in the sense of spending money on books about it, paying to consult an astrologist for a private reading, and using a potential new partner's star sign in part of their decision making process as to whether to pursue the relationship.

The acting upon the belief, again in my small sample life experience, is heavily skewed towards women doing so far more than men.

You haven't covered the crystal healing believing people. I have never met a man who believes in this and that has loads of crystals all over their house. I have met a few women that do. There are probably some men that do, but again I think it is heavily weighted towards women.

Can someone look up the percentage of women who PRETEND to be gullible for me.. thx

I would love to read it.. can you please send the link. thx

It appears my original thread is too old to pull up, but here's the follow up thread

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...ration-698519/

I have never heard of anyone getting apoplexy defending astrology. But at least one supposedly "great" person did for some pretty absurd reason. See: Hetty Green

See original thread at https://archives1.twoplustwo.com/sho...ghlight=Layzie

You missed the point.

If you are in a club and a girl is hitting on you by asking your sign, insulting them by deaming astrology generally isn't the right response.

Sometimes tolerating other people's foibles and craziness makes more logical sense than correcting them.

It is like in poker, if someone calls your all in bet with a flush draw only getting 2.2 to 1 with one card to come insisting they only need 2-1 to make it profitable, you don’t correct them. You just nod your head and let probability take it's course.

Basically, don't tap on the glass.

Overall, I'd say Sklansky's type of girl will not soon be found "in the club."

This thread was mostly just hyperbole and some fun meh exaggeration. Then everyone kinda doubled down and now it's just real heavy flak in here.

Do you think you can have strong analytical skills in some parts of life like science/math but not so much social/relationship wise?

*polite golf clap*

I have worked with some really smart people in academia and found that some of these people believe in stuff like religion.

I have talked with a few about this and basically they compartmentalize their "faith" and work.

With some its almost like a dual personality.

When I see some supposedly well educated people doing the same thing with crazy conspiracy theories I think this is what is happening.

All logic goes out the window. With religion or politics (all sides) people dig in and have total faith regardless of the logical evidence.

They will almost force themselves to fantasize events to keep the faith of their "team"

My investigation into this vital matter has revealed that Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, each considered brilliant minds, used astrology. In fact the Independence day date , July 4 , was said to be determined by astrology. I would think they would generally be considered better people than a random heroin addict. But nevertheless I get David's point.

Thomas Jefferson also owned slaves, possibly kept his own children as slaves, and protected slavery in the founding documents of the US. Plus he basically created partisan politics. Despite his intellect, I imagine he caused far more harm than the average heroin addict.

Benjamin Franklin seems like a cool guy, but extremely eccentric, so the astrology part doesn't surprise me about him.

So we would have been better off having a random heroin addicts write the US Founding documents than the actual Founding Fathers? unique idea for sure

My only qualm is that they might be too distracted to focus much on writing.

Theoretically if you could choose, assuming you had any empathy for another person and their happiness in life, you’d choose astrologer >>>>> heroin addict by orders of magnitude

I feel like ppl itt are also assuming a ‘smart person’ is smart in all areas of their life. That’s clearly not true.

Have you guys ever been to Tulum? There’s lots of people there who are killers in tech, social media, marketing, fashion, advertising and believe in all the astrology stuff. They’re successful and insanely happy, so who gives AF. Same with devout Christians, they believe they’re going to be whisked off into heaven for all eternity. I’d say they’re much happier than the more practical and logical non-believers.

Thinking that that is worse than being a heroin addict, lolwtf

I always thought accountants chose July 4 as Independence Day.

I could put on a clinic on why 7/4 was chosen as our independence day, why J.P Morgan correctly stated his Astrology quote, hell even why the Arizona Cardinals stadium was chosen for Superbowl 57 on a date with 57 Numerology and how at kickoff time in Glendale Arizona from Earths perspective it will be in perfect conjunction with the Zodiacal Cardinal Cross among many other things. "As Above, so Below."

But I choose to refrain myself from such discussions here in this vile place I love so much. Everything cardsharkk04 is spot on by the way.

The statement prefer someone is a heroin addict over astrology believer is clearly provocative, and perhaps has some mild grain of salt truth takeaways. I understand someone might say it as a joke, to be provocative and to creatively tell the grain of salt truth to it...

But for it to extend into a heated and serious debate I find baffling.

1. You know it's provocative to begin with
2. You know it's a subjective opinion, it's not really provable
3. You know there is many different scenarios, contexts, devil in detail spots that could prove either case.

You would know coming in saying, "I prefer someone is a heroin addict over astrology believer" is probably going to be met with resistance, at which point you can deescalate and just explain the small grain of salt truth to it, and that you don't actually feel that strongly on the topic, and it's just a mild ever so slightly philosophical joke.

FWIW:
I think the grain of salt truth is that a heroin addict is basically suffering a mental illness and addiction, so that it is genuinely very difficult for them to stop, and it is a tough spot. Whereas the astrology believer is not in a spot where they have this sort of pressure and is thus, 'truly free' to receive the evidence and have their mind changed.

I feel like this is more sort of a witty one-liner that's been said and heard at a poker table for a wee joke that got a couple of light laughs and ponderings "arrr I see what you mean grain of salt truthity philosophy"

But then this has been repeated here and without the real life delivery and context, has been met with mild resistance. Now in the face of telling an unfunny or rather, un-thought provoking tale, has accidentally become defensive and half serious about trying to debate it.

Also kinda ironic:
Besides Brunson, several top poker players contributed chapters to Super/System including Bobby Baldwin, Mike Caro, David Sklansky,

... Brunson has attributed his cure to the prayers of friends of his wife and their correspondence with Kathryn Kuhlman, a self-proclaimed Christian faith healer.

I sincerely hope Brunson wasn't told he would be better off a heroin addict.



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