Not sure why you just thought of this problem now, and I'm not sure how what you posted relates to what Sklansky wrote.

Right, which is probably why Sklansky offered some explanation with what he said. Did you just read the thread title and skip the OP?

Nothing in the OP even resembles specific information, let alone evidence, or proof.

I have read the entire thread before making my comment, and nowhere in it does Sklansky offer any meaningful explanation of what cheating it is that he accuses Reece of being involved in.

So he made a vague, unsubstantiated allegation.

I have not thought of this just now, this thread has always been stupid from the beginning, as if a random poster here started a thread without any evidence "X is a cheater and I know it for a fact" it would soon be locked as being totally pointless without supporting evidence.

Agreed.

Right. Whereas your "equivalent" statement was something you made up, and had *zero* explanation, because of course you made it up.

Sklansky says that Chip himself admitted to cheating, and that many people knew about it. He gave some names of very well-known poker players that also knew. Is it true? I have no reason to disbelieve it, but of course I have no idea. It's certainly your prerogative to believe that Sklansky has it wrong. I just think that equating that to saying "X is a cheat and I know it for a fact" is a poor comparison.

My mistake. I assumed that if you had this thought in mind from the beginning, you might have mentioned it in the post you made the day after it was started.

Well, this thread is about a passage in a poker book, and OP has no involvement in the matter. In fact, I believe he created the thread to "call out" Sklansky for making the accusation. If you have an issue with Sklansky's accusation, I think the last thing you would want is for the thread to be locked.

I was making the point that it is easy but silly to make up posts with unsubstantiated rumours.

Sklansky's knowing it for a fact reduces to him saying has heard hearsay about it, but does not say what that hearsay specifically was.

The thread is so patently silly that I am sure most people reading its title will have skipped past, as an attention seeker trashing a dead poker player with vague allegations is not exactly inspiring.

The proof is in the pudding, since this thread started, has there been a single piece of strong evidence presented to prove that Reece cheated?

I created the thread to elicit discussion, as the subject matter seemed interesting to me.

But what did Chip Reese call Sklansky?

The biggest bullshit ever spoken in poker.

Yeah, right.

It’s amazing how people only get outed when they’re dead.

At least whilst he’s alive?

Because he’s dead. See what people were saying when he was alive.

To control the room?

I have spoken to Terri King. She denies your accusation and says you are a scumbag.

It is also interesting that Sklansky backs off accusing Doyle who was involved in the same scene at the same time.......because he is alive and can defend himself.

That's not interesting at all

Thanks for posting this. Great stories.

I wouldn’t have the balls to tell such stories at someone’s funeral.

*Robison

Legendary stuff.

Control the room? I'm not sure what you mean by that.

I heard about Chip admitting cheating many years ago. I can't say for certain if it was before he passed, though, as he passed over 12 years ago and my memory isn't that accurate.

Also, Doyle was accused of cheating too. He vehemently denied it, as did Todd on his behalf. I believe he was accused by Russ Georgiev, who has since passed and of whom many had their doubts. And Russ was an admitted cheater, for whatever that's worth. There's a video made in 2001 where he and two others are interviewed by Mike Caro where they go into his cheating allegations. It's really long and I'm not inclined to watch the whole thing, but as it's playing in the background while I write this post, one of them mention Chip and Eric Drache. Caro pushes back on the Drache allegation and the guy isn't making much sense. Many felt these guys had no credibility. There were posts about this on 2+2 many years ago. Since both Mason and David state they never heard about Doyle cheating, and given that I respect their reputations and they certainly know many people from the poker community going back to the 80s, I'm inclined to believe them.

Many 2+2 posters are relatively new to the poker community and should realize there's a lot of history you may have never heard, but many others have. Before jumping to conclusions about whether anyone was accused of cheating while they were alive, realize your not being aware of previous allegations doesn't mean they didn't happen. Of course, being accused isn't the same as being guilty.

Here's a link to the video:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...tail&FORM=VIRE

Russ G also made numerous posts on rec.gambling.poker addressing his allegations. They're probably available somewhere on the internet.

Hi George:

People I know and respect, have told me that Doyle was always an honest player.

Caro always claimed that cheating was widespread. (To be fair to Caro, he was around much earlier than me and I do believe that in the 1960s and early 1970s there was more cheating than in the 1980s when I firsr showed up.) My impression of Russ Georgiev was that he was a small-time cheater, mostly in the Seattle area, who made all sorts of claims about stuff that he knew nothing about. Also, if I remember right, Caro eventually wanted nothing to do with him.

In time, Georgiev accused every name player at the time of being a cheat, and this included Drache who is known as an honest player.

As an example of how little Russ Georgiev knew. There was an event in 1986 involving someone named James Duerner who called himself Chip Johnson that caused the city council of Commerce Ca to vote on whether to close the Commerce. Georgiev claimed to be all knowledgeable about cheating at The Commerce Club in the 1980s and yet had no knowledge about this event when I challenged him to talk about it on RGP. I don't have the time now, but if there is interest I could post about it later.

Best wishes,
Mason

HAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Way to discredit everything you've ever said in one fell swoop.

Tell that to that poor floorman that got wrongfully fired for hooking him up in the public casino highstakes rooms .

Who are you and what are you even talking about. Over the years I know a number of floor people who got fired for all sorts of reasons.

Mason

The 4th time Chip Reese cheated me was at the 92 WSOP, or as it was known in those times, The Alligator Biscuit. We had taken the ride down to Binion's in my uncle's wagon, which was pulled nicely by two horses, who were in turn pulled by two oxen. Famously, we ate Triscuit's in the backseat. Anyway Chip had arranged to meet us at high noon, as all good cowboys do when the stakes are high. We had agreed to meet alone, but wouldn't you know Doyle was there, with his new pal Jesus. The game was triple draw, which I totally know how to play. I was dealt an upturned pat 12, and drew 5. Chip had a yellowbellied 7, and Doyle, well Doyle wasn't even looking at his cards. He was busy looking at my shirt, which was made of a silk so soft the kid from Aladdin had once tried to steal it. The dealer soon asked me what the point of this story was, and so I quickly departed.

Terri King has stated to me that these claims that Chip admitted to cheating are false, and that although cheating was widespread back int he day Chip denied involvement when asked directly by Terri. She is referenced as a supposed witness in this thread by Sklanskys to the validity of his otherwise unsubstantiated claim, and yet directly refutes him.

Go ahead and elaborate then....