1) You are naive as a small, small child
2) People will always take whatever edge they can when money is on the line. ALWAYS.
3) It isn't even a matter of 'opinion' whether or not they did. They did. It's known fact. Matter of fact, bricks were **** in that circle when Russ Georgiev went public with claims of having 'hard evidence' on all of them being cheats, to which they promptly dispatched Mike Caro as an emissary to determine if that statement was true. It ultimately wasn't, he didn't have tapes or recordings or the like, but the fact the public accusation spooked them that badly says everything that needs to be said...

When did he become Saint Chip? Every gambler I’ve ever known has a little larceny in their heart.

Doyle is a living legend you boob.

he's actually under consideration at the vatican currently..would be a first for professional poker players. the rub is you need proof of miracles so they're putting together information on various one and two outers, etc..

That's pretty funny. I don't think he was a Catholic though. We obviously need a poker player saint to pray to for good runouts etc. or at least a patron saint of poker players.

Cody is most definitely not suspended.



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If I had to bet I'd wager that Chip cheated. However, publishing "known" rumor and third party accounts to throw shade on a deceased mans reputation whom the public at large has no interest in reeks of the authors own insecurities.

I remember seeing a video of Danny Robison talking about him and Chip Reese cheating before Chip became a christian. The video was recorded after Chip died.

How about St. Isai. I think Isai Scheinberg is Jewish, but he provided a great poker environment and was persecuted for it. He would make a good saint to pray to the hit draws and so on.

St. Isai, the patron saint of rake...

Yea, that never happened.

Never understood Buffett haters or why they have to make up stuff out of whole cloth when Buffett's record is pretty much an open book.

And Cody Garbrandt didn't kill himself!

With the exception of the chapter about Larry Flynt and the allegations that he tried to fix the WSOP, every story with negative connotations about a well known figure, whether it was Chip, Trump, Icahn, Wynn, Gaughan, Stupak, Nevada senators, mayors, representatives, or others, were based on my FIRSTHAND knowledge. In some cases I mention that it was also common knowledge but only as a rebuttal to those who think I'm lying or exaggerating. When my knowledge wasn't firsthand I didn't mention names, except for Flynt.

If it looks like enough 2+2 ers spring for $9.99 to make it worth it, I'll start an Ask Me Anything thread to discuss these stories. Or the other 80% of the book, most of which I consider more important. But so far most of the comments I read seemed to ironically be based on second hand info as to what I wrote.

Table of Contents can be found here;

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...le+of+contents

Now THIS is how you sell a book!


I'll be buying the audio version when you get someone to read it to me. Otherwise, I'll get a hard copy if it eventually goes to print.

Yeh, it sounds juicy and Sklansky's biographical information and experiences doesn't sound dull either.

The print edition is 14.99. Not sure if I'll do an audiobook.

will pay $50 for Sklansky audiobook narrated by his parrot

I read the book on Kindle and have a few comments. As far as I can tell it doesn't say Chip Reese cheated at poker, but that he ran a crooked card room with marked cards and cold decks and so on that had been crooked before Reese took over. Sklansky implies that there were was much cheating in games outside legal casinos.

He also indicates that several ME champions were involved in cheating, and eludes to Hamilton, but does not name others. It makes you wonder how much cheating, particularly with the house involved still goes on, after seeing the Stones scandal. I don't know if he should have named Reese while not naming other top players he implies were involved in cheating.

It has some interesting stories, although it is not quite as dramatic as Sklansky just implied. You also get a feeling of the Vegas morality, and the assumed moral attitudes.

Much of the book discusses Sklansky's ways of beating the house in some poorly constructed promotions etc. Clearly he is an incredible writer about gambling and poker theory. He has always played high stakes, but not the highest stakes.

I agree with a poster in the thread on the book that it could use some editing. Sklansky writes really well. However, there are some sentences that are not sentences, some transitions could be smoother etc.

This made me laugh.

No I think you are just talking about what you would personally do and think other people would be a douche bag like you. Intelligent smart people don't need to cheat to be successful. Dumb people do. You are the naive small child that believes since you couldn't be successful without cheating that other people had to cheat to be successful to feel better about yourself. That is all it is unsuccessful people who sucked in life at something they tried to do see other people do it successfully and say well he cheated. It is hater nonsense.

Sklansky is brilliant poker math, poker theory, and wrote good books on some limit games. However, it might have been a mistake to release this version publicly before having a few friends or whatever go over it. He writes like he is telling stories privately. There are some things you might not want to put in a book. For example when he said several ME winners were involved in cheating without naming them, he then names Reese. Maybe it would have been better to tell that same story about a well known high stakes player without mentioning Reese by name.

Ya there was a cheating back then and there is today. But the best players in the world don't have to cheat to make money. Its like saying cumicon cheated to make 7m. Its just hater nonsense. And you can't fool other world class players like ivey and antonius etc to play in these games with you if you are cheating. They will spot it so fast. Everyone says reese was the best ever. They knew he wasn't cheating. He got felted and left casino down plenty of times. he would quit early and play for 3 days if he was running good. Reese was good since he was a good not just poker all games since a kid. He beat everyone even adults. He was just ahead of the curve mentally. People just have hard time understanding that someone can be that above rim over everyone else in competition. tony spilatro and his gang were colluding. Whats chip gonna do kick them out? ya right. ITs like movie rounders mike didn't have to cheat and didn't want to cheat at poker cause he was skilled player where worm had to and forced Mike into it. not everyone has to cheat to make money at poker.

You obviously just watch Warren Buffet vids on holding long term

This Nation investigation documents how Buffett’s massive wealth has actually been built: on monopoly power and the unfair advantages it provides. Companies in Buffett’s portfolio have extorted windfall profits, evaded US taxes, and abused customers. In the two specific cases discussed below, in the banking and high-tech industries, Buffett’s investments have prompted federal investigations for anticompetitive or other illegal practices. If you want a honest investor learn from Ray Dalio you noob. Go ahead and read article about it so you can learn. That is the funny part is there is evidence on buffet but its all hearsay on chip reese. Buffet was 100% busto if he didn't get bail out from our tax dollars in 2008. https://www.thenation.com/article/ar...etts-billions/

Awwww...how cute. There are some (presumed) adults in the world that are so wide-eyed and naive that they believe people are either 100% smart/good/virtuous/moral or they are 100% dumb/bad/dishonest/unethical. It must be nice to not have to think about people and the world in general as being complex and multi-faceted. I think if I lost about 50 IQ points, I could be that blissfully simple in my thinking, too.

Holdem is just 1 of the 14 games they played in the highest stakes against other top players. They don't just play the easiest 2 card game in poker. There is really not much skill in holdem compared to other games. I never heard of chip ever say he specifically cheated people out of money. all you got to do is link us to his confession. I know he said there was a lot of cheating in poker. I know someone personally that played with him said reese got felted plenty of times and quitting early. Leaving games early to go watch his son play baseball. A guy cheating not gonna leave his buddies to go watch his son play baseball.

From a book- The Professor, the Banker and the Suicide King by Michael Craig.
"The reason a person like Chip Reese- solid in education and values from middle class Dayton and Ivy League Dartmouth- had thrived in Las Veas for thirty years was that he was simultaneously much more skilled then his adversaries, yet ran out of men with money and inferior skills who would challenge him. A dishonest man in this position could of made some of the scores Reese had to his credit, but only an honest gambler could so consistently win and keep his outclassed opponents coming back for more. "

Someone cheating can't get away with it for 30 years. You win for that long its skill period. these are top players that respected him and how he played saying he was the best. Your saying he fooled Phil Ivey and Patrik Antonius into believing he was the best player ever without cheating? Ya right. You guys have to understand the risk of getting caught outweighs the short term profits of cheating. They will get caught you can't cheat for 3 decades and get away with it. doyle and chip wanted to open a place that just had a honest game. That is all they really wanted is to have a fair game where the skill wins. Cause they were the best players. Chip Reese was known as a HUSTLER but not a CHEATER. He would try to sweet talk people into games. Thats how he got andy beal to come play. Andy Beal said quit talking me into games. chip would manipulate him to come play. Thats what chip did but he didn't cheat people at the tables from what I heard. People that played poker back then were not educated didn't go to college. I think chip and doyle were the only ones that did so they were way above the rim mentally over their competition.

One thing they would do is argue sometimes to 3 hrs over just what mixed games to play. Guys that are cheating aren't going to argue they just want to play. They are arguing to get an edge against the other players that dont' have a edge in certain games. here is a true story about chip reese.

This was from a player-
I remember on that trip, we were playing one day, and Chip won a hand where he had four kings against Gilbert’s friend who had four queens. The friend was actually thinking he should fold at the end, but Gilbert kept telling him to call, so he finally did. It was for something like $200,000. The two of them started arguing in French, and then Gilbert said, ‘I made him call. He was going to fold. You should give him his money back.’ Chip just said ‘no problem’ and gave it back to him.”

Chip eventually won all of the guy’s money anyway.

Berry Greenstein- “The thing you won’t learn about talking to Chip’s poker friends is how he treated everyone the same. For years we’ve been coming here and playing here. There’s a cleaning woman who works the poker room named Mai. You should see how he is with Mai.

When we play here, we can literally get any food we want, and Chip usually gets candy. Whenever he plays, there’s a mess of wrappers lying around, but when someone besides Mai comes to clean for him, he’ll tell them no thanks. He keeps the mess around so when Mai comes on shift, she can come take care of it, and he always tips her $25, which is almost half a day’s wages for her. He knew she had a family at home she was trying to support on this job and wanted to make sure they got fed. You should talk to Mai.”

He didn't even have to play poker. He made more in sports betting running sims through software on finding an edge in the odds. And he bet a lot bigger on sports betting then poker he was a line mover. He wasn't this seflish dude that had to cheat to make money. He could of made money doing anything. His grades were outstanding, he was known for excelling in debate club, and he already had everything lined up to go to Stanford’s School of Law. Chip Reese famous line is “I had to make a choice between being a lawyer or a professional gambler. I chose the more honorable of the two.” Someone cheating doesn't say that. He could of made probably a ton more as a lawyer then a poker player with tiny br going to vegas. You guys watch all the vids you want phil ivey, antonius, annie duke, hellmuth, gabe kaplin, berry greenstein, dnegs, I can go on and on from player to play that played with him A LOT never said he cheated. This many years of grinding against him. Its the people that didn't play with him or very little that i always heard he cheated. Get one player that played with him day after day for 10 years with him that said he cheated. I bet you wont find a single one. Either way I am done talking about all this cheating stuff. So you guys believe whatever you want. But someone with heart like that don't cheat people out of money unless he was forced too.