I thought this deserved its own thread, if not please feel free to remove.

Here are the top 8 winners in MTT on GGPoker this year. I have split out their Sattelite only graphs/earnings. How can't even one of the best players in the world be in the green in sattelites. Yes variance is greater in sattelites, but not to this extent. For some reason you cannot filter leaderboards to sattelites only on Sharkscope. Who are the winners?

There is something deeply corrupt and wrong being facilitated at GGPoker and their cheating council or whatever that is was clearly just a distraction.

Interested to hear thoughts and further analysis.

Looks crazy. Are you sure that.... like... the system doesn't miss to recognize seat-wins as $?

Has to be this.
Why would the biggest mtt winners on the site continue to play tons of satellites they were getting killed in.

No , some of the charts kink upwards slightly over there samples so it's not that.

Maybe they don't seperate out sattelite from regular and they aren't quite aware of the massive drain.

If one wanted to ensure guarantees were constantly hit it would make sense to have fresh accounts qualifying in right? Not the crushers constantly sweeping up extra tickets and T$ .

The counter question to your question has already been asked basically.

How do not at least one in those eight realize they are losing huge in these satellites and not stop playing?


The likely answer is either there's something wrong with the filters you used (could be glitch or could be user error) or there is some other inherent value these players receive from participating that we haven't considered.



It would be far easier and better for GG to either limit who can participate based on winnings or just lower the guarantees. Rather than cheat in a way that literally anyone can filter out and discover.

I also find it hard to swallow that the top winners are overlooking/not separating and just all of them are missing the giant leak.

That's typically not how people at the top get and stay at the top. By not looking at the details.





This seems like a more complicated way to explain something that either isn't filtered right, a glitch, or we just don't have the full story. We have to connect a ton of dots:

GG doesn't want to limit or lower
Can't be variance
The top 8 players have all overlooked a massive leak


Thats a lot of dots and qualifications that have to be true to support this.

Amazing how far people will go to support their beliefs. If the data doesn't agree with them it must be wrong. Of course any data that supports their position can not be questioned and if data is not shown that in itself proves the point is untrue.

I'm sorry you find it hard to swallow but go and look for yourself. It's not very helpful to post twice about this matter with your ifs and buts and what YOU hope to be the situation.

I have provided backup which is accessible by anyone. Please don't post here unless you have something to backup what you're saying.

Have you checked SharkScope leaderboards of other (i.e. WPN/Stars) sites to see if this is happening there too?

YogurtDaddy brings up a good point that the data could just be wrong. Or it could be getting counted incorrectly by SharkScope. Lots of possibilities besides these guys actually losing at satellites.

That being said, anytime something related to game integrity comes up, I think it is definitely worth further investigation by the community to figure out what’s really going on.

Phases count as satellite on SS. The day 2s (where cash is rewarded) don't count as a satellite

Clearly you don't understand how this works. You haven't provided anything more than I have. You have just laid out a semi-irregularity (possibly) and you have said you believe it to be "endemic corruption."

I have said that what you have posted in no way even remotely backs up "endemic corruption."

Though, your response above indicates the reason you think its "endemic corruption" is because you lack the ability to logically and objectively look at this. You have a very, very small piece of a possible puzzle and you're claiming its indicative of foul play.

This would be akin to saying person X murdered person Y because person X owns a knife. It just doesn't work that way.


Also, your emotional response to what you perceive as negative or an attack on what you believe (when you said you wanted to hear thoughts) indicates you're just here looking for confirmation of your currently far fetched "endemic corruption."


Also, I get to post here all I want. You can either ignore me or block me, or mods can do something. Again, you seem to not grasp how all this works.

That's how all good conspiracy theories work.

The answer^^^

The only emotional wreck here is you, you've contributed nothing to this thread. You arrived posting 2 consecutive posts when you could have made one post. A quick glance at your post history speaks alot of you also.

@thelipofund Thank you this could help explain alright. Could you share where this is detailed on SS? Would be interesting to take them out if possible.

Considering you started a thread titled "Endemic Corruption in GGPoker Sattelites" when you're not even close to sure that's accurate, you seem awfully sensitive to critical posts, and you're the only one who's shown any emotion that I've noticed.

Graph of actual Satty results



Graph if you just search " satellites" on Sharkscope .




clearly it gives you super bad & skewed results.

Im a GGPoker Content creator & streamer btw. So you can go ahead & come up with some insane theory that Im also rigged if you want.

I start & play these satties a lot, there is nothing wrong with them. Variance is simply insane in them. As you can see in my first graph... That 50k direct downswing had 7x exact pure bubbles.

also satellites are a different skill set then mtts. like you have to know to be a nit and use your timebank everyhand lol. I wouldnt be surprised if successful mtts players dont put in the work for em which would raise variance even higher

Haha, I simply started a thread on skewed information I had found. You've spent your life moderating people making posts on a computer. Well done. Over and out

Bruh.. I mean yea those guys aren't slayerv1fan in sattys but are they going to be massively -EV? Eh, no.. Very no. Lol

Nice sample size too.

Maybe I should have started this thread differently;

Sattelites seem to have very high variance. I wonder if anyone has a green graph.

I'm intrigued how the narrative is to jump behind the poker operators and not try and question them at all. Makes lots of sense....

Does anyone know how to remove phase tournaments from a sharkscope sattelite search for example?

Yes a very different skill set. This is not the the subject. The money needs to go somewhere. Look at the data.

Does anyone even remember the Bryn Kenney saga anymore .

Does anyone remember that GGpoker started an integrity council!?

Did you really just make a triple post after reporting another poster for double posting?

Not sure why you feel the need to attack others in here. I'll adjust the thread title to reflect that you made the thread based on "skewed information".

Fortunately I contributed logical questions that you would need to answer before one can even begin to claim corruption or cheating.



In the future, I'd suggest you make a list of "devil's advocate" questions when you think there's something amiss.



For example, as soon as you asked yourself "how can the top 8 be losing" you should have asked yourself "why would the top 8 continue playing in such low EV spots?"


And realize "maybe they just overlooked it" while isn't an absolute zero chance it's much, much, much higher of a chance than "endemic corruption."




Hopefully this thread and the responses you received will help you with future problems logical in nature.

(Warning, double post incoming)


Also, no one is "jumping behind" anyone.


You made a very serious accusation with virtually zero proof. So, a healthy dose of skepticism is almost always going to be the overwhelming response.