I am just curious as to where everyone stands on this matter, as a lot of people are on both sides of the fence regarding the Q&A from Lee Jones about banned accounts.

Q: Is a player who is banned or self-excluded on FTP (collusion, multi-accounting, problem gambling, etc) automatically banned on PokerStars and vice versa?

A: Our systems will not allow barred or self-excluded players on one site to play on the other site. We will ensure that we have the technical solutions in place to preserve our game integrity and responsibility in responsible gaming. However, we will deal with exceptional situations on a case-by-case basis.

Do you think it's fair to ban people moving forward on both sites if they are banned on one site? Personally, I think that players shouldn't be banned from both sites if they are banned on another. It might be premature to discuss this, but I am just curious.

They should all be handled on a case by case basis

That's a lot of cases.

If cheating in any way shape or form has been the reason for the ban at either site then yes the ban should be carried over.

Anything else should be handled on a case to case basis.

Well the old FTP support is not in place so shouldnt take long

yes, if they cheated or tried to cheat

Self exclusion on one site transferring to the other seems kind of meh but obviously if it's because of cheating then for sure kick them off the network.

I agree it should be case by case but also that is a pretty daunting task for even the best online support group in the world.

Playing devils advocate here, but isn't it unfair that if you were banned years ago from one site but continued to play on the other site then to be banned from both later on?

Of course, you have followed the rules and T&C's on the other site. And I am sure players have payed thousands of dollars in rake and contributed to the poker player economy as well. Wouldn't PokerStars be potentially losing a ton of monies if they were to ban these players?

Yeah or if in 2007 you self excluded yourself from full tilt to focus on school and then got back into poker in 2010 and played on PS.

The self banned/problem gambling should be addressed separatly.

If you were banned for collusion, multi-accounting, or other cheating methods then yes, you should be banned from both sites. Cheaters do not deserve a second chance. We as players deserve a safe and secure sites to play on.

+1. ez game

Cheating is illegal, it's criminal and these people are more likely to do it again than anybody else.

Those who are self-banned for whatever reason should still be allowed to play on the other site though.

Case by case would make sense. Not sure if I trust decisions FTP made in the past.

Say someone multi-accounted but did not cheat at all. They didn't like their SN, so they opened up a new account and created a new name, but just played for play money only. And no cheating occurred at all, just broke the T&C's, does that qualify as they no longer are able to play on both sites? Seems way harsh imo.

I think there is a post on one of the Pokerstars/FTP threads that has a link to a story on one of the on line news sites.
Can't find it right now but it could be in the questions thread.

It looks like if you were banned on one site the same will continue on the other. Both now owned by the same company.
If you were banned for cheating then rightfully so I believe the sites should get together and compile a list and cross check every site. Anyone who was cheating should be banned from every sight.
Some of you are not going to agree with this but who is to say a player who has cheated on one site is not doing it on another.

Pokerfuse story dated Aug 7th.

I've read stories about people who have multi-accounted for rakeback purposes or even some big names who have multi-accounted, but have been allowed back on sites. It's hypocritical to ban one person and not the other. Guy Laliberte comes to mind as a person who has multi-accounted in the past, but has not been banned as far as I know.

FTP had pro's with up to 20+ 100% rb accounts. They were even selling them(see Antonious). I don't trust a thing with there management and neither should PS. PS should review every case from FTP or just transfer over there list to FTP.

If you self excluded yourself for a time period that has not expired you should be self excluded from both sites. There are other sites out there if you really want to overrule your own banning.

Eli Elizra and Patrik Antonius have both admitted to having multiple-accounts in the double digits on FTP. Will they be banned? Doubt it.

What about Jungleman after the Girah scandal? He was just playing on Stars the other day. Sure it wasn't on Stars that he cheated, but neither were the people who were banned on FTP. Should Jungleman be banned?

Not to mention, FTP was practically banning for sneezing towards the end so how many bans were legit?

Plus, it's like some people here don't believe that anyone in this world is capable of reforming. I'm sure there are lots of people that have learned their lesson after being banned on say, FTP, and have gone on to Stars and properly followed the T&C ever since. Should they be banned after perhaps months or even years of honest play?

Besides, sweat sessions and teamviewer coaching sessions are against the T&C (one player to a hand, right). How many people here do that regularly (or even just done it once) but don't think they should be banned for life? Heck, there's a coaching forum in here where coaches advertise exactly that kind of coaching method among others. It's easy to point a finger at another guy who's breaking a t&c, but rationalize breaking a different one.

This.

multi account is agaisnt the T & C because you could of cheated. Poker sites should not have to check your play.

Ban on one for cheating, then ban on the other

Some people made mistakes in the past that caused them to be banned when they didnt even know what they were doing was wrong. I say wipe the slate clean and start over. If people do something banworthy in the future then so be it, ban them. But with all the shady banning that has gone on in the past, it would be easier to start over with everybody and treat it like a new site and let the players play until they make a mistake to get banned.

Has the issue of whether someone who is banned on Stars will be able to recover their FTP account balance been addressed/discussed anywhere?

This exactly.