Not at all "too soon". I think it is a great idea, especially if you can offer him a 100 GBP chip from the UK casino where did the dirty deed.

Anyone expecting to play him should carry such a chip and video the offer, like a boss..... but wait until it is in the middle of a hand where he is prattling on and on. 3 to 1 he takes the chip, he would not be able to help himself ....

Someone needs to edit the WsOP coverage and have Benger tell him to check his pockets

Everyone keeps talking about a single $100 chip

I heard the stack was 9 high

Cool, so we can all go round to your place, put your property in our pockets and walk away, and we have done nothing wrong.

As this is so insignificant an issue to you, please can you share your address with us so we can pocket your valuables.

Awesome, fellow brothers in arms!
I know I get carried away sometimes. It's not like I sit and think about Kassouf everyday. Just glad to know I'm not alone.

The question I have is - Was it Cate who said it to Will or was it Will who said it to Cate - Hey, hold My Beer…

I defended his speech play because it was within the rules, albeit it was right on the limit of the rules. The solution IMO was/is to amend the rules, not to eradicate table talk all together but to put some length of speech time and frequency of table talk limits on it.

I am not one to gloat about his current situation, he did wrong, and in poker terms his punishment has been quite severe, but who knows after a break from poker, I wouldn't put it past him to return having re-invented himself.

Blah blah. You don't get it - not many people care about what you have to say in your < 100 words.

I only play MTTS in grovenors but from what i see there not very good, as in there only seems to be £1/£1 That runs. I imagine they're soft though.

Did you binge drink during your temp ban, like, to help cope with the emotional trauma of your punishment?

give it afew months and he will be allowed back into the casinos....known afew poker players who have been caught stealing chips from a pot, being banned for a year then allowed back in...grosvenor seem very weak when it comes to banning players.

had one player who would help players count their stacks and helping pull the won pot towards to the winning player but in doing so was palming chips in his hand from that player....it was only when a player noticed the pot he had won was alittle shy of afew $ that he was caught on camera.this player was banned but after a year was allowed back in......when ive known another poker player who has been banned for over 3 years and still cant get back in just because he didnt show them proof of his income.

ban should stay a ban as how can you ever trust these ****ers again.

Only banned from Grosvenors afaik so could play straight away in London at The Empire, The Hippodrome, Aspers and a few smaller places.

I'm currently an infrequent London cash game player but to my knowledge The Grosvenor Victoria London is more reg infested than The Empire and Aspers (I think the Hippodrome has quite a lot of regs), so being banned from Grosvenors (I think Luton also has a lot of regs), might be better for him playing cash games.

Obv the loss of sponsorship very likely outweighs this, but it's not like he is in total poker exile.

He's back, he's back ..... ignoring reality. I recall Willie being admonished and penalized for his so-called speech play against Benger.

When you wax eloquently about "the rules", you seem to ignore the role of the floor. Your "solution" is impracticable, half-assed, and would resolve nothing, which is understandable.

Doubtful, as SD pointed out .... he believes binge drinking would have simply flooded him with estrogen, and so would have been counter to easing emotional trauma.

Another strange post by you, always on the attack.

Come up with a better solution then. The floor weren't able to cope with one player doing a lot of speech play, so imagine if it was happening on 3 tables simultaneously from 3 big talkers, or if it's a less well staffed tournament but still with many tables in play.

Having speech bank chips is a reasonable solution that no doubt you wouldn't attack if anyone but me had posted the idea.

Then most players, including Will Kassouf, would save them up for very big ICM or tournament life spots.

Just when I thought I'd seen the nut low on poker ideas, Sage comes along and resets the bar. "Speech bank chips" - LMAO

I think SageDonk should have "idiotic post chips".

Your proposal is ludicrous. Your hypothetical presents an incompetently run event, not a problem your so-called solution would address. What you propose is idiotic and shows zero understanding of tournament or room operation or management.

Better training for the floor personnel and a clear authoritative role in booting offending players from the game, and with proper review, from the room.

I've been playing live for 40+ years and have never had to suffer through a table with what you call "speech play" being tolerated by the floor. A rule of no direct P2P needling/annoying speech, subject to the target or table's complaint to the dealer to call the floor and ejection of a repeat offender would give the floor clear authority to stop that nonsense.

Calling offensive, inappropriate conduct "speech play" does not license the activity. There ain't no First Amendment right in a poker game run by a private company. If carried too far, speech play" could see a 2d Amendment, stand-your-ground solution privately exercised by the offended party.

I interrogated an opponent on the river for about 2 1/2 minutes in an EPT event when he triple barrelled me, causing him to visibly crack under the pressure and give off tells that he was bluffing. No one at the table complained, during or after and no floor was called.

Why, because it was the only piece of table talk I had done in 3 hours of play apart from the occasional 5 or 6 words now and again.

Your kind of draconian system would not allow this essential, normal component of live play to happen.

"Speech play" is hardly an 'essential' component nor should it be viewed as a 'normal' component of tournament play. When action is on a player, then the player should take one of three forms of action- check, fold, bet/raise (depending on action in front). The talking just slows things up, and given that everyone's defense of things like BBA is to get more hands per hour, one would reasonably expect that getting rid of unnecessary 'speech play' would be a good thing.

Asshats engaging in that nonsense are the one argument I can find in support of the players wearing headphones at the table.

I see your point of view, but I'm talking about speech play which isn't the type of show boating that Will Kassouf often used, I am talking about where you're facing a big river decision and you talk through the hand out loud, included in which you might say things like "so why did you check the turn but then overbet the river."

Or as in my hand example, I basically talked through what I thought his thought processes were on each street which made him look more and more uncomfortable to the point where he stopped inhaling oxygen.

As if you've ever limited yourself to the occasional 5 or 6 words.

Late to this party, and admittedly grunching.

Sage, I think you might be missing a critical element to what you cite here (and in your previous example). All of this talking takes place with the action on you. Wanna think out loud? Go ahead. Will it get your opponent to reveal something? On your better days, perhaps it does – apparently you once got it to work.

Kassouf's speech play often took place when another player was making a decision. That's the difference. Action was on someone else. And because of this distinction, he violated the rules.

Now, if someone can explain to me what the hell Kassouf's speech play has to do with the chip-stealing incident at the casino, I'm listening. Feel free to think out loud.

fyp

My "draconian" system has pretty much been the norm I've observed in 45+ years of live play. An occasional weak floor or their playing favorites with regs diminishes its effectiveness, but the etiquette works pretty well against offensive, annoying, yes even "grilling" activity.

One comment below on your 2 1/2 minutes of glory; I have no doubt he visibly cracked under the pressure, did he also confess to kidnapping the Lindberg Baby ?

lol, after 2 1/2 minutes of your talking, I am surprised he did not switch to inhaling automobile exhaust were it available.