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Shaun Deeb Tweets that Will Kassouf got caught pocketing 0 chips at roulette tables.... Shaun Deeb Tweets that Will Kassouf got caught pocketing 0 chips at roulette tables....

09-17-2018 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SageDonkey
If you play live cash game poker in London at 4 am you would grade him about a 3 out of 10 on the scale of ******* at the table.
This, alas, is true in central London (unless you are a low stakes).
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09-17-2018 , 06:02 AM
This has been confirmed as true on FB by one of the people in the group that it happened with.

Will be interested to see if Grosvenor release details or at the very least a statement confirming his suspension/sacking as he was clearly there top guy.
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09-17-2018 , 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 2pairsof2s
It's known as Past Posting or Late betting. The idea is that you add an additional chip (or chips) to a bet after the ball has dropped and the bet is won. It takes Magician-level slight of hand skills to do it effectively. Famous casino cheat Richard Marcus evolved it into a team play, using a bettor, (often a pretty, buxom girl,) a distracter, (a person at or near the table to make a fuss, spill a drink etc.) and a placer, ( the slight of hand guy, who places additional chips not on his own bet but on the pretty girl's.) Since a single number bet pays 35 to 1, if you drop one or two $100 dollar chips in a night you have a very lucrative cheat going on.
gamblers are very creative when it comes to finding ways to cheat the casino. The first thing I thought of when I read "palming chips" is less profitable but imo worse though - stealing from other gamblers.

What they do is, they look for a big pile of chips on the table, then go with an empty hand pretending to be adding chips to that pile, when in reality they are removing some off the top. Basically they are relying on the low probability of that number hitting, so no one will ever find out. When it does hit though, it's usually one of the players that actually bet who gets screwed.
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09-17-2018 , 07:51 AM


for those who want the 1st hand info
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09-17-2018 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
Thinking this will likely turn out to be a personal dispute like he took a chip from an associates stack that he felt he was owed for some reason , the associate objected and it kicked off from there
If I think someone owes me $100, it’s still a crime for me to just take it from him. And pretty dumb if I do it in a casino. It’s doubly dumb to steal when you know you are on camera.
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09-17-2018 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Wehitityesssss


for those who want the 1st hand info
Thanks!
So, Shaun Deeb gets told about this in an "interesting message" and turns it into Kassouf regularly stealing from casinos and paying his poker buy-ins from it?
What an idol.
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09-17-2018 , 08:14 AM
dont drink and make money decisions
I knew from the beginning it was a personal thing and alcohol was involved
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09-17-2018 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by U shove i call
I can't speak for everyone but i don't give two figs what he says its how slow he plays that annoys anyone i have ever spoken to about this.

Funny you say his speech play is a form of bullying and that its also a legitimate strategy. Even wsop rules state you can't constantly badger a opponent like he does. As a example when people ask me something when i have made a bet 99 times out a 100 i never reply. Every single person who has ever done that has spoke to me once then made their decision as they realise im not the chatty type while in a hand. Kassoufs tendency of not shutting up and badgering someone who has no interest in talking isn't a legitimate strategy its simply having no respect for the game.
100% agree,

It's not a strategy at all, it's basically just showing off, im sure the odd person has spewed off to him through utter tilt at his presence but thats purely incidental.

100% disagree with comments that North Americans dont get Kassouf as much because they don't get British humour, WK is absolutely no representation of british humour whatsoever, he's also no representation of how British people typically behave at a poker table.

Moss was at the table with him in the WSOP and found him just as irritating as everyone else and he has a very jolly sense of humour.

People get annoyed with Kassouf, because he's annoying, just like people get wet when they go swimming.
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09-17-2018 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SageDonkey
I think what some people may be missing is if he detects that the blabbing is getting under someone's skin then he will increase it. If he detects that it isn't he will decrease it because it is wasting his own energy.

His antics stood out at WSOP because the mainly North American opponents he used it on took everything he said at face value and were unable to work out or recognise that it was an act, a persona, a strategy, so assigned his behaviour to him the person, not to him the player playing a game of strategy.
Americans confirmed dumb? Good point since, i don't see how the reaction would be anywhere near what it was had this happened anywhere else, most people would just laugh it off and play with it, while most americans and canadians just took it as you say at face value and got offended lol, which is kind of narrow minded if you ask me.
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09-17-2018 , 09:58 AM
kassouf not getting enuf credit for reinventing himself itt imo.
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09-17-2018 , 10:23 AM
I'm no fan of Kassouf, but I am willing to bet that Shaun Deeb is still a bigger scumbag than Will Kassouf, if you take into consideration all things scumbaggian..
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09-17-2018 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu Ungar
I'm no fan of Kassouf, but I am willing to bet that Shaun Deeb is still a bigger scumbag than Will Kassouf, if you take into consideration all things scumbaggian..
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09-17-2018 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 2pairsof2s
He's not a cheater, he's just a thief, so it's all good. New beer, new topic.
Yeah this scandal doesn't exactly deliver in entertainment value. Deeb gave the wrong impression but still, its not like there's nothing there. A well-known poker player still seems guilty of just straight physically stealing money from his friends *at a casino*. Calling it "a personal matter" is pretty LOL. Also how dumb/desperate do his friends have to be if they're worried about Kassouf losing his sponsorship right after he stole from them?
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09-17-2018 , 11:21 AM
Hi I'm Michael O'Mahoney, the one in the post which was screenshotted from a UK Poker group. Just like to say as a disclaimer I wrote gukpt media staff heard and put the issue forward. All I remember is being in the bar drunk and seeing them aswell as others visibly angry at what had happened and used the term 'GUKPT media staff'. This is just a concoction of faces I saw who I assumed would have addressed the issue and used their group as a term which I shouldn't have done. There were numerous staff in witness from croupiers to pit bosses to bar staff aswell so any group I said shouldn't be slurred. And anyway it shouldn't matter who brought the incident to light as I'm sure if anyone was playing games in their free time would want to be protected from someone stealing their money when they aren't looking.

As for the person who said 'How dumb/desperate can his be friends be to not want him to lose his sponsorship' it's called actual friendship which you sadly may not know about. Most 'men' keep things inhouse or that's how we do in the UK (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland aswell as the Republic). We don't just **** on people when they do something wrong and as mentioned we had argument about it at the bar which nearly turned into a punchup. Unfortunately for loudmouth, ironically his speeching got heard by the casino staff who reviewed the matter and before you knew it the whole of the poker room had heard. I wrote my original comments because some dumb ****ers had wrote **** like 'well i dont believe he did it' and 'his mates are the ones responsible for letting him gamble'. We aren't desperate for him to keep his sponsorship, he's the clown who ****ed up and he has to get on with it.
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09-17-2018 , 11:39 AM
I guess it´s just me, but stealing from drunk gamblers who are having a good time is actually much, much worse than cheating against a casino corporation. What a scumbag ...
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09-17-2018 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by NMcNasty
Also dealer is keeping a mental note of what you bet before each spin especially if its $100.
Have you ever played roulette?

It's easy to find a game with over 500 chips laid out every spin when it's busy.

140x7 or 8 colours plus all the cash chips low and high denomination.

Plus a bunch of other crap like call bets if allowed.
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09-17-2018 , 11:55 AM
"But in all the ensuing betting he was seen pocketing something".
Who by and what happened subsequent to this?
Were his pockets turned out and a chip he couldn't account for discovered?
Did he deny it and an argument ensued?
Did he admit it and cite mitigating circumstances?
How was the matter left?
Some clarification would be nice from the first hand witness.
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09-17-2018 , 12:15 PM
No doubt he’s trying to use the ‘It was just banter’ excuse.
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09-17-2018 , 01:04 PM
Sounds like he was an idiot, got caught and will have to deal with the consequences of it.

And if it was for a couple of hundred quid then he is truly an idiot, his sponsorship deal had to be worth more than that.
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09-17-2018 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by gilmore38
Sounds like he was an idiot, got caught and will have to deal with the consequences of it.

And if it was for a couple of hundred quid then he is truly an idiot, his sponsorship deal had to be worth more than that.
You're assuming this is the first time this has happened. If its the first time hes been caught he could of pocketed 5 figures before getting rumbled.
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09-17-2018 , 01:53 PM
What's the big deal, it's just cheatplay, the kinesthetic equivalent of speechplay.
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09-17-2018 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by U shove i call
You're assuming this is the first time this has happened. If its the first time hes been caught he could of pocketed 5 figures before getting rumbled.
Hard to believe he would not have been caught before or that if he was doing this rumours of it had not come out, but I guess if he was careful and did it only when the conditions were right he could have been doing it for a while as you say.

Maybe he will have to sell his Aston now if he is so broke he needs to steal a couple of hundred.
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09-17-2018 , 02:11 PM
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Most 'men' keep things inhouse or that's how we do in the UK (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland aswell as the Republic). We don't just **** on people when they do something wrong
Got it.

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.......we had argument about it at the bar which nearly turned into a punchup. Unfortunately for loudmouth, ironically his speeching got heard by the casino staff who reviewed the matter and before you knew it the whole of the poker room had heard
Best example ever of keeping things inhouse.
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09-17-2018 , 02:13 PM
Deeb just wants Kassouf to go away by any means possible... Don’t blame him.
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Originally Posted by Arch00
Isn't Deeb known for adding chips to his stack mid-hand in cash games? Never caught on tape to my knowledge but word has made its way around in upstate new york
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09-17-2018 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by El_Gato

Most 'men' keep things inhouse or that's how we do in the UK (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland aswell as the Republic). We don't just **** on people when they do something wrong
You sound like the Winklevoss twins extolling the virtues of being 'gentlemen of Harvard'..complete and utter bull****..
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