To all California Bay Area Poker Players,

There is a group of known colluding cheaters that have been permanently barred from Casino Matrix. This small group of cheaters has now moved across the street and play consistently at Bay 101.

They are typically found playing in the deep stack NLH game.

Kudos to Casino Matrix for upholding the rules and protecting the integrity of the game by barring these scumbags.

SHAME ON BAY 101 for allowing and welcoming these cheaters into their no limit games.

Bay 101 should care more about their reputation than to let proven cheaters onto their poker tables. Please boycott Bay 101 until they take corrective measures. Turning a blind eye in this case is incorrigible.

Shame on 2+2 for welcoming such unsubstantiated drivel in news,views and gossip.

Kudos to the mod who locks it up.


Shame, shame, shame.

you play in the deep stack NLH games at Bay 101?

If it's incorrigible, how can they take corrective measures?

Gonna need some more detail or will delete this thread

I know who you are and who you are talking about. Just so everyone knows the back story, the players who OP is referring to play DS and higher games in the San Jose area. They play straight up against each other but many times you will see 1-3 of them on at least one of the bay area games as they are full time grinders.

About a month or two back they were kicked out of M8trix because a losing nit saw them go north a few hundred dollars in a juicy game. He was losing and they were winning so he got mad and complained. They didn't go north in the middle of a hand just over the course of an hour or two they added a hundred here and a hundred there so they could stack match the whale. M8trix temporarily banned them because they had it on video. Yes, it is against the rules and yes, they have stopped doing that (I've talked to them about it and have played with them and haven't seen it). They were temporarily banned for it and it is a fair judgement IMO.

FWIW Bay101 won't ban these players as they are good for the game (bad for you because they are better players than you). They start games daily, keep games going, gamble with the fish, banter with the fish, etc. They don't just sit around with ear buds on waiting for aces. It is a good environment for the casino, the fish, and my these players. It only makes for a bad environment for bad regs, hence this post being created in the first place

to clarify more, the game has a $2000 max buy-in. They didn't just go north a few hundred on one occasion. They would go north substantially ($500-$1500). They did it on multiple occasions. They were warned by casino to stop doing it and still did it.

That said, they are good guys and are not cheating or colluding. The only rule they broke was going north, and they never did it during a hand.

As to whether going north outside of a hand in a cap game is cheating, that is a discussion for another time and place.

Well, if they got over the 2k limit going north (outside of a hand), then yes, it's cheating, if not, I don't see anything wrong with it.

That is cheating, plain and simple. Doesn't matter if they are good guys or not.

It's also by no means a "no harm, no foul" situation because other players who want to build a stack that matches the whale might do so by accepting higher variance or even 40:60 shots to get there, costing them money effectively compared to somebody who just breaks the rules.

Banning them after multiple warnings is certainly the right thing to do. Kudos to the casino that costs itself money by getting rid of players who are good for the game.

So you can be slimy as long as you otherwise make the fish happy?

In my experience there are those who respect the rules and those who don't. Its never just one one thing you have to lookout for with the second one.

For me, this seems to make perfect sense. If the max BI is 2K, why would it be a big deal if after a hand is played, you could just not stack back up to the maximum.

I do not play live cash games but usually, is it frowned upon to just auto add on when you dip below the max? What is the " standard practice " for topping off? Do you have to get below like 1/4 a buy in or more?

If this if not allowed, I assume it is just because a player could go north a few times, slowly going above the Max buy in hoping to go unnoticed by the dealer and other players at the table because a fish is sitting on a much large stack.

I guess this policy would differ from poker room to poker room but I was just curious.

Let's get some facts straight here, first of all the guy that wrote that post is an alcoholic guy that bum hunts for a living, you can find him drinking scotch every morning at matrix 2-5 games. That being said the pros he's referring to are not cheaters whatsoever, they play straight, they give good action they don't bum hunt and they are really social at the table, the reason why the got banned is for going north, well the reason why they were doing it its because the whale in that game was buying in for 4k instead of 2, none obviously was complaining about him going north, but when winning players do it all of a sudden they're scum cheaters, I know for a fact that they didn't get any warning before the ban and the whale still goes north in that game even after that, still none is complaining.
So cheating its cheating only for winning players? It's so fascinating how low people can go when they're ego gets threatened at the poker table.

So some guys went north a few times and were penalized for it. Lock it up mods?

Deux - absolutely ridiculous post. You're at best clearly misinformed and at worst a lying jealous scumbag.

I play in the deepstack game and higher at both Matrix and Bay 101 daily, ironically I just played with all 3 of the guys at Bay yesterday in the 5-10-20. To continue to set the record straight, these guys are not cheaters at all, they are just 3 of the winning regs in the area. They were banned temporarily for going north, not for colluding. I am pretty good friends with a few of the Matrix managers who have all confirmed this to me personally. There still isn't a fixed time set on their ban, but every 30 days they are allowed to reapply to come back, and they were just denied after the first 30 days 2-3 weeks ago. That's the technical reason why they were banned...

The underlying reason they were banned is primarily 2 players that complained about them. One is a VIP whale everyone likes that no one passed ill judgement on for complaining, since technically yes what they were doing is against the rules. However the other, as mentioned by others, is a sniveling nut low bum hunter who simply isn't good enough to win when these or other regs fill up the game, and usually plays smaller. What did the guy do? Found a way to get 3 regs kicked out of the game, and now is seeking to destroy their reputation and ban them from a casino he doesn't even play at, knowing very well these guys were never banned or accused of collusion by Matrix management.

Everyone is now on to him and his sniveling tactics, maybe if he put as much work into the game of poker as he did wasting everyone's time and jading this poker community he wouldn't need to stoop as low as he did. By the way, Bay 101 managers are well aware of the ban. The players have been totally upfront about it with them and the situation is often openly talked about at the table. They are taking responsibility for their mistake and trying to be better poker players going forward; or maybe you think they should just be banned from every casino in the world for going north at one, Deux?

As others have requested, let's please delete this thread and Deux from 2+2 as it is 100% all lies, gossip and conniving misinformation!

M8trix games confirmed softer now?

It's the same way "technically against the rules" as lots of other forms of cheating that get players banned.

Okay, at this point I am going to lock the thread.