Just grab this for now. Pretty awful talk from a guy who certainly knows everything what Party knows about last years high stakes collusion.

It probably broke quite a few players bankroll, and it was impossible to anyone non-colluding player to be a profitable player back then. That kind of collusion seems to be pretty rampant and we've got lots of examples, even at some live events during last years, and even if your stable is running fair that doesn't mean other stables are so honorable.

Surely 6 players @ 8-handed highroller FT colluding has just a "marginal impact" which doesn't make winning player a losing one. And considering PartyPoker never refunded players properly this case is far from closed.

FWIW, I believe everything you say, and it seems quite clear to me that you're acting in good faith. However, you have to admit that something is going on here with the PP Live guarantees being padded out by house players, and also with BRS. The info that the new accounts are posting seems genuine; using internal BRS terminology etc.

If you're chiming in on this thread to defend one business interest (bitB), then as a paid ambassador for partypoker, I believe you have a responsibility to at least acknowledge the other issues that have been brought up in this thread. I'm not asking for an official explanation, but more so that you acknowledge that this doesn't look good for partypoker and you're seeking an explanation from the powers that be. If partypoker truly are the most transparent poker company around today, then you shouldn't have a problem doing this.

could you screenshot this?

as a rec player i would assume after seeing your bitb picture of your so called office that you could very easily collude, whats wrong with thinking that as it would be very normal for any poker player to think that doesn't take just a losing player to think that.

who is regulating your bitb company to ensure their isn't any cheating and also doesn't benefit from any profits or loses because if there is nobody doing so its always going to be seen as shady and you have to accept that. your running the company of the good name you hold. yet many before you have done this and to of been found to have done wrong.

but what do i know im just spectating

Good point.

Many stables have been closed down, players banned or threads accusing certain players of cheating/colluding together. Stars have huge security team and pp/other sites have banned many players. It is up to the sites to police the games and they do (there is threads in nvg in the last week saying certain stables banned, the standard backing guy policed etc) theres never been single bitB guy banned/investigated/3rd party suggested they cheated etc.

But yes, it is very important to police everybody if they are playing correctly and to the books you're 100% correct.

All the biggest cheating scandals have been discovered by the players when it comes to bots and superusers fwiw. Even though i don't play cash games i find it a huge problem party outlaw HUDs and importing hands for database analysis in certain formats of cash games. I have seen people openly advertising their illegal HH converters in skype statuses for ages so clearly at this time party are banning software when they can't police it correctly.

this is from my direct PPL$ account! and if BRS/PP are not upto anything "dodgy" there should be no issue from them about me posting this

@P.L.
only this from me plz, and with all respect!
please dont send me a killer bec i ask this , and sry for not optimal quote:

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- We see the series that are being released a couple of weeks earlier. I can show our players and say does this look attractive, what would you maybe change, etc etc"

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is this really ok? is it the same with the so often changing regular online mtt schedule, do the horses see it earlier than the rest? how is it with the structure changes,do they see it earlier?

at the same time we have nearly everyday People in the mtt thread who dont understand the permanent changes of the schedule /buyin ranges/structures etc.

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- Our players test new software (new software not released usually full of bugs) they help find the bugs and fix them, help suggest things that should be different etc"

this only btw. : this they do not good!

That's very truistic - because when the sites proactively discover misbheaivour, it doesn't become a big scandal.

It's like saying that only the biggest trees in the forest don't get harvested by logging. That's obviously true, because if they got harvested by logging, they wouldn't be the biggest trees in the forest.

@Pleno regarding you slamming 'anon' accounts on 2p2.

1. People don't use forums like they used to. Lurking is far more common now so people don't get their post counts up.

2. FB/Twitter is the main way that players interact now so therefore using their real names. If you was a player who has been grinding on Party for all year, have a great deal of $$$ in PPL money (which unless you are BRS can only use live), have leaderboard equity and also Millions Online seat(s), why would you risk all that? It is not uncommon for sites to just ban/cease funds.

I think you are underestimating the resentment from the community on this. Your stable players are obv gonna say yes to everything you say, your peers in the HR circuit probably don't know/care about this issue and your fellow Party pros also don't want to rock their sponsorship money.

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What gets me is if this was Stars, Joey Ingram, Doug Polk, Patrick, Ike and all the rest would come out and smash them even before any facts or info was out - where are they now and why not for the good of players and poker are they not making this public to force party to just be open about what this is. I am not a Stars fan, I play on party and like what they are trying to do, however, just because they are trying new things I think it is sad that those influential people have all decided they don't want to talk about it.

This all smells really bad and in my opinion it's just bad for Poker, it says all the operators and all the players are just selfish and bad - thats not good for anyone. Stars f***ed up and got the Criticism they deserved from the most influential players, rightly so. Why are they not there for the players, the industry now. Joey's post said everything that was wrong with Poker, ACR and nothing about this issue, Papi, the industry needs you now, leave MMA videos for one day and make this public enough to force someone to address it.

ps- I am a new poster, not friends with a anyone on here and have been reading 2+2 for years, this made me want to make my first post, don't beat me down for getting involved

This is pretty much confirmation of a partypoker and BRS business relationship. No way party admin would just deduct funds from a player's account like that unless there was an arrangement.

What it isn't however is confirmation of any financial kick back benefit to party poker from BRS. I think everyone was already aware that there is a working relationship between the 2 parties...given the BRS exclusivity to PP.

That's true, but it's almost certain that the kick back agreement exists, with Rob Yong/DTD likely involved too. More players will come forward and party will have no choice but to make an official statement if they want to stay true to their new transparency ethos.

Financial kick back benefit? You think they just gave those tokens to all BRS players to grind sattelites and tourneys that were overlaying or not running out of good will towards owner of BRS?

Ok firstly the BRS players didn't receive "tokens" to play satellites, they received funds into their PP accounts just as with any other stable (if their buy ins were paid in tickets then yes there would be questions to answer there for sure), secondly without evidence of financial transactions between BRS and PP then this is all conjecture.
Have you ever worked in a business which has signed an exclusivity deal? I assume not as if you had you'd know that there is a hell of a lot of difference between the financial benefits of a standard deal of this type and owning a % of the players cashes...for example a standard deal of this nature would be something along the lines of "you sign a deal to play exclusively on PP, promote PP and support PPL events, in return we will give you X% rake back access to PP pros for coaching" etc etc.


Fwiw I recently parted company with BRS so have zero interest in protecting theirs or party pokers reputation...in fact I have been critical of the goings on in other comments I've made....and I would encourage PP and BRS to issue statements regarding these allegations.

However, it is important that we recognise that there is a HUGE difference between two companies in the same field having a synergetic relationship and two companies doing what is alleged in this thread.

They are however only allegations at the moment, and some of the statements thrown around are simply untrue of my experiences with the stable (such as players being issued tickets or tokens to play tournaments - all of my transactions whilst with BRS came through BRS)

I used to own 10 stables. Got sick of painting them ��

any reason why Brs shut down their website,social media etc?

If you missed my first post in this thread then let me remind you that we did receive tokens/tickets directly from Partypoker into our(BRS) accounts

Well I can only comment on my experience with BRS and in 8 months I never had this happen.

I have operated many a few gambling businesses in many different jurisdictions and I can't see a single gambling law party are being accused of breaking?

Do you know what law specifically anything in this thread accuses them of breaking?

Since you have operated '''many a few''(is it many or few?) gambling businesses in many jurisdictions - lets imagine a theoretical situation where you are running a lottery, ok?

You organize a lottery and the total guaranteed prizepool is 5000. Each ticket costs 5.3(5+0.3 cost of organizing), but you get to sell only 800 tickets and have to put your own money up to meet the guarantee.

In this theoretical situation, when you have to oblige all kinds of gaming laws - are you allowed to just give some tickets to your friends for free, in exchange for getting back some of their profits if they win the lottery?

In this case you might gain some future value by "meeting" the guarantee, everyone has a blast and your value rises..

Since you have worked in this field and I have no clue - I am really interested in your professional opinion and knowledge on if this is legal and perfectly allowed.

I’m one of those posters who have created an account recently and made my first post on here. I just wanted to give my knowledge of the situation, as there seems to be some people just writing off others’ accounts as ex-brs/bitter players. I’ve no bitterness towards BRS as a company at all, it just seems to me that there’s a lot of things going on in this situation that aren’t transparent. I’ve seen on public social media, current BRS member try to rubbish people telling the truth, and using lies to do this.

Seats/tokens won were exchanged for cash previously, I’m not sure now how it works now, but I know that there was a point at which mentors were told that this was ending and it was to be kept quiet so as to make sure new members did not know about it.

PPL has up until now been taken out of players accounts when they won it. And allocated when needed for comps, players did not necessary win this to receive it to enter tournaments.

To me, there is just too many details that need to be kept secret in the BRS group, which they aren’t prepared to make public which makes this whole situation seem very shady.

Seats won were 100% exchanged for cash in the past for BRS and at one point most of the players needed to stop playing mtt's and only play satellites to make sure all the 20 & 50 seat GTD satellites ran

And for those who think I have modern day losing fishreg/tilted fishreg/ entitled fishreg mentality - seeing a picture of people playing together people assuming that it must be cheating - I really don't cause I have huge respect for Pads since he first started posting in PG&C and I am not any of those previous mentioned things and what is the most important - I can back up every single word I said in this thread with proof.