Noticed this as well. Paul Jackson is still a member of that group also.


The group I admin for tagged Paul in a post to ask what was happening now and he left the group, has also ticked the box so he can't be invited back in.

Dan Clark was BRS horse who came 3rd for 100k at Sochi 2017 side event (1 mill gtd) He got 25% I believe. The event was littered with BRS horses freerolling to the max

Originally Posted by ezdonkey View Post
Seems super shady that PartyPoker Team Pro WelshWizard is firing multiple bullets in 1D Turbo even though he has already qualified for Day2 with 2,5M chips. I can't think of any logical explanation except that he's being freerolled by Party to bust legit non-team pro players and making them re-entry with their own money and ensuring that tournament won't overlay as much.


WTF if this is true. Are normal players even allowed to register additional days when they have already made day two? Even if so, I cant see any incentive to do so unless you have a really short stack.

To those who just look at the numbers and say well surely its a good thing and its costing Party/DTD money are being so short sighted.

Party is owned by GVC. Have you thought that they could be incentivised to artificially inflate the player base, in preparation for a IPO?

Note the strong language 888 used in their recent investors report.

I am really surprised other networks like MPN, iPoker and of course Stars havent spoken about this more.

We know they have a shady relationship with BRS, potentially with PokerWinners and BiTB and also a Brazilian stable too (Pleno mentioned it was one of the reasons why Joao Simao got his sponsorship).

Think about it this way. BRS punter is sat in the car park waiting for his phone call to late reg Day 2 in the 5k. He gets in, spins up his 20bb and makes it to Day 3 and near the money. Bubble time, 5 or 10 to go and he gets into a hand with Honest Rec Rick. Our hero Rick grinding up via the sats, put in many hours and entries to play the event and is now close to cashing. To Rick this represents not only 3 days of play but all the sats and a 10k min cash. To BRS punter its been a 1 day spin up and a 2.5k min cash. Who can play more freely on the bubble?

A Partypoker employee ran super deep in the last millions event at DTD, think he FT or FT bubbled. Do we know how he bought into the event? Likely it was a freeroll.

Staking and stables always have existed, this is fine. Just not the way that Party are being so close to them.

You can say what you like about Stars, but they would have never ever crossed this line that Party have.

The wind is certainly changing here and all involved in this should be ashamed.

I've just reported this to the UKGC again and would urge everyone to do the same. Its a quick 90 second email and the more reports they get the better. Who's to know what they will find if they go into the emails of Tom Waters and Paul Jackson?

This is a very short sighted view of the situation

Here's a message from Patrick Leonard responding to criticism of the photo he published earlier this week.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...jYWufHwzvG3d8/

Is there anyone concerned about this who is able to contact Ike?

He left Stars for moral reasons, would be interesting to see what he has to say about this.

Jason Koon is another Party rep who seems like someone who values his integrity.

I've played some Satellites on Party in the past and was actually thinking of playing a lot more next year but this thread has really put me off the idea.

Dribble.

For anyone who wants cliffs

• stables dont cheat
• we should appriciate stables more
• stables should be affiliates to poker sites 😂

Are you though? Davenews, who are you, exactly? Do you have a name, IRL, or a screenname you use for your journo poker news articles? What is your IRL name and/or online pseudonym with which you write journalistic poker articles?

I am quite curious about davenews.

+1

the stuff about bitb is obv incorrect and total made up bs

I get that you hate stables, half of your 3490578 posts are about that, but jumping into the bandwagon because an 1post account that registered yesterday posted something is absurd even for your standards.

Poor choice of a username


Finally regarding the picture from bitb offices, I find it so funny how misinformed people are about the way bitb operates, thinking that there was any form of collusion. It was a very fun experience getting to play together with everyone else and discussing during the break, but there was total silence during playing hours - as any logical person would expect, since silence is required in order to focus. Like, do you think I would start yelling over to the guy 5 pcs away if we are involved in a hand? Can you imagine how that room would then look like if everyone was doing that? I also think people need to understand that bitb doesn't consist of Patrick and his slaves. It is a partnership between investors and motivated, skilled individuals. Bitb players aren't forced to do or say anything. The idea that someone having a deep run would result in him being ghosted is not only offensive to bitb but to the player himself. Taking this picture as proof of ghosting is beyond dumb.

I'd be willing to answer any of sect7g's questions but I doubt I'd have anything interesting to say on the topic since it's just pure fabrications (to my knowledge).

I find it bizarre that anybody involved in bitb would think this pic would serve any purpose other than to reinforce peoples negative opinions on stables. It's not cool or sexy or whatever, everybody knows what an office with 8 computers in looks like.
Frankly the whole thing just smacks of naivety and arrogance. Its a form of self absorbed dick swinging with no regard with how such transparency is bad for business. If you're running a burger company you advertise cows frolicking in a field and kids enjoying the burgers not live pictures from inside the slaughterhouse.

Hi all

Just wanted to chime in on the bitb front.

I was development stable main coach/manager for about a year and half before it eventually closed for bitB (which was about 2/3 months ago).

I still do some coaching for main stable and also the new (ish) academy. I don't have any responsibilities looking after any players anymore though.

In that time I have seen nothing of the sorts that BRS are being accused of. All the bitB players play across multiple sites. I had access to all the player chats and never once saw any kind of deal that's been mentioned here.

If there was some kind of shady deal regarding sattilties I would have heard it somewhere at some point.

As far as I am aware most of the bitB guys don't even play sattilties or a lot of live tournaments either.

As for softplaying or ghosting this is something I am 100% sure doesn't happen either.
From what I have seen in HH reviews or strategy posts where 2 bitB players are playing. If anything they are hard playing each other not softplaying.

In addition to the other explanations above:

a) Inflating the volume numbers may lead to increased interest from other players

b) The players who come for the main event may take part in other events

c) If management - or investors - are rewarded on the basis of market share, this increases their market share (and hence, their reward) even if it doesn't increase the profit/loss of the underlying company

I'd trust a 1 post user over every single stable.

Does the government also eavesdrop on your phone calls?

Exactly. Furthermore are certain PP employees paid extra in bonus based on market share?

bitB statement

I literally have no idea who this dude Sectg7, Dan Williams is or whatever his name is, I tried to google him with poker to see credentials or why he's leading this very biased and inaccurate march but don't see/find anything. He PM's me asking if I have any comment like 1) Something scandalous has came out and 2) He is somebody in the industry who knows whats actually going on. The dozen or so random new accounts with 1-3 posts just look like his friends all coming in (or him) if you look how the thread develops, he asks for a media company to run a big story, a smaller site does, he posts, nobody replies, he bumps the thread a couple of times without replies then loads of brand new accounts start posting. It seems very suspect. If you're just the 2p2 version of Joe Ingram who wants good for the community then good on you, I respect that, very likely you aren't but for the 5% you are I'll take my Friday morning to reply to you amigo.

FWIW I already wrote (as linked previously) full statement (I think Papi would have seen that if he was lead investigator!) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...fHwzvG3d8/edit

The poker industry has just sadly changed a lot from 2010-2018. 2010 2months2million era where poker houses grinding together was seen as so cool/popular that it made an American huge TV show and almost everybody in poker loved it! In fact there was even a bunch of borderline stuff in there like saying "he doesn't bluff here" or there etc, but anyway the idea of living, grinding and motivating each other in a house like that was so strong and powerful it made me deposit and play a lot.

Now if you see a picture of people playing together people assume that you must be cheating. Its the modern day losing fishreg/tilted fishreg/ entitled fishreg mentality. I have seen it first hand from staking 1000+ people, the people who become losers just look for ways for why they might be losing and become very bitter. In the past I was losing player and loved anything like 2months2million, shipitholabola crew etc, but if I had been losing for 10 years or something then maybe I would be clutching at straws trying to find reasons why I wasn't winning.

Cheating in poker takes away ev from everybody sure, but it isn't the difference between being a winning and losing player unless you're a very borderline winner which would already create insane variance in your game that losing over long stretches of time would be very standard. Thats usually why somebody drops out of poker, they have a low roi, don't really work very hard, but they're still a winner and know they are good enough to beat the big55. They run bad over 1 year and losing and just can't work out why it is, its just variance when your roi is low and there is lots of runners standard deviation is just through the roof. Because you see certain stables winning it doesn't mean they're cheating, their players probably just have rois big enough to avoid such cruel variance. It's unfair to the hard working players that grind their ass off both on the felt and in the lab to become the winning players they are to just lump them in as cheaters/colluders etc. It offends and saddens me a lot that the poker community has lowered to that, players who won when it was easy to win 10 years ago were treated with so much respect, now its 10x harder to win, players who win instead of being credited are just instantly labelled cheats/colluders. Very sad.


I've said this 10 million times, but bitB players do not ever soft play against each other, our community is competitive because of a tiers system that only allows x% of people to play y games and thus there is serious ego/arrogance/competitiveness when two players play a pot, whilst in pots together that isn't good for me (the staker) I think long term it will and does/has create crushers and that is what the business model is.

With all due respect to stables, our profit is built on very expensive coaching and trying to make players play with rois of 30%+ and be the biggest winners in the games they play, we don't try and find low/small edges.

I'm not even sure what we are accused of here lol, but will say the truths.

I don't think bitB player has ever played a partypoker live $ satellite

We simply don't allow them too, they are designed for a totally different kind of regular.

We have only ever won one seat in a leaderboard

It was Hungarian player who played in the mornings, ran super hot first few days then played long sessions because he had a good chance. To win leaderboards you need to play 1) Insane volume, 2) Huge variety of stakes, our business model is not and will not ever be this. For sure he would have wanted to change the package for $ but we wouldn't have thought to even ask this.

Our players do not, have not and will not ever play as a team

As I stated previously, our guys go ****ing nuts vs each other.


I have never asked partypoker for any money for bringing bitB players to their site (despite increasing our volume there 1,000,000%)

Sure it would be good to make an extra 20-25% rake back for all our players. I remember when we moved our I collected all our account names incase we did something like that, considering we brought more players than anybody over to the site as an affiliate in terms of volume it would be super normal to get something, but bitB decided to just not go down that route at the time. As a company we have abandoned certain sites and now those sites are close to dead, we decide to play volume at partypoker because of the good games, good rb system, good structures and huge series. Our players aren't forced to stop playing on other sites, they all play on stars, many play on winamax etc etc

We are very loyal to partypoker

This isn't a crime. When there is a turbo with 40% rake back and a turbo with 5% rake back somewhere else obviously its a lot easier to play the one with 40% rake back. When there is a site that is trying to do everything to grow poker and a site that is trying to do everything to grow casino its obviously easier to support the poker growing site. I personally have completely stripper back my volume on stars, I play a few tournaments a week maximum there atm, but never ever asked any of our players to do this, any of our players would confirm this 100%. It is a lot easier for us to gamble and put people in tournaments where there looks to be a huge overlay or there is sick value from so many satellites players. Thats why normal if theres a $530 $50k on party and a $530 $500k on stars we will have way more people in the stars tournament. If theres a live tournament which looks like either 1) Huge overlay, 2) Lots of recreationals we will put in way more people than a normal $5k


Where bitB gets preferential treatment from partypoker

- Our players test new software (new software not released usually full of bugs) they help find the bugs and fix them, help suggest things that should be different etc.

- If one of our players has a problem with an account can usually get it fixed a little quicker than Bob Joe pubic. This isn't a bitb thing exclusively though, I've probably done this for 1000+ non bitB players over the last 2 years too

- We see the series that are being released a couple of weeks earlier. I can show our players and say does this look attractive, what would you maybe change, etc etc


Addressing a couple of quotes


Firstly, if you read my google doc linked above, I totally disagree with you that stables are cancer. They have ADDED money to the poker ecosystem not taken away. That's like saying Swedes are cancer for poker. Sure there is a winners crushing and lena/darwin may be 1/2 on pocket fives, but theres still hundreds/thousands losing.

Your posts are almost all anti stable posts, I have no clue why, but lets say for whatever reason a player playing for bitB was allowed to change PPL money or was told to soft play a satellite or whatever else rubbing you're accusing us off that is 100% false, why would the player lose his 2p2 account? Get a new hobby mate come on.

We actually released all of our media and "journalist" team a while ago, I do all social media, reply to everything, very public and honest about everything. Have nothing to hide and don't need anybody to hide it for us. Definitely don't need own Goebbels, I'm big enough (well not really) and brave enough to post whatever I want myself, I don't need anybody else to do it for me.

I've tried to cover everything, give my thoughts in detail on everything, but I obviously don't want to, and can't find the time to have huge back and forwards with people who just won't believe that we wouldn't cheat, we simply want our players to be goo enough and win enough money that small kick backs don't determine if they are winners or losers, we do this by having very expensive coaching and spending every day of our lives dedicated to it. I understand for many its very hard to accept or believe, but its the truth!

can you address the issue as a party rep please, we are getting sidetracked

how can we trust partypoker after reading this, theres people with hundreds of thousands tied up in PPL$

Did you write that piece and this post while masturbating? Nothing but self loving and arrogance.

I reply only for bitB where it is unfair for my partners to get labelled under this umbrella where they have 0% to do with partypoker and for their company to have so many lies told about it. If I was sole owner I wouldn't reply, but do it just for them.

For partypoker I'm sure they will reply where and when they see fit. I think they've been the most transparent company out there and because 10 brand new accounts come and post I don't think they should have to immediately reply, if this was the case they would be forever replying instead of getting **** done.

Very sad mr stable hater took a whole 19 minutes to reply early on a Friday morning. Basically sums up what I was trying to say though. With that I guess I'm out.

Peace all <3

This is a very short explanation of your view.

This is a huge company. They are being accused of breaking gambling laws. Shouldn't matter who posted it. They need to respond ASAP to any accusations of this nature.

Evidence is showing party's total lack of transparency.

Peace out then >3

So I guess with the slightest bit of pressure you get the shills to run. Easy game.

Hello Patrick,

Just writing to you to see if you'd like to offer any comments for my article as a Party rep or as the owner of BitB staking. I feel I owe all parties the chance to express their opinions about what has been transpiring in the past and any comments about the future of Party Poker Live Events.

Sincerely,
Dan

That was my PM to you. And that's roughly what I wrote to other staking companies that have their name brought forth.

Nowhere did I say that bitb players are cheating.
Nowhere have I said that you guys are taking advantage of this deal.

So you're attack on character while leaving the 5% out that I could be just a guy that cares about the game is rather interesting.

As to the PM it was written to ask if you or Party would like to comment on the issues that have been brought up... I'm sure it's hard to imagine writing about anything but yourself but the question is in regards to BRS/DTD/PARTY primarily.