Nice post Joey and very spot on. Players are stuck in a prisoners dilemma. In my research for my article I have found many well meaning people whom have shared information with me but the vast majority won't use their real 2+2 handle and those whom have reached out on other channels ask to remain anonymous. I understand as speaking out in regards to controversial issues does no individual any professional good.... just leaves them as a pariah in this business.

Fortunately I have recently uncovered some new information in this matter which technically absolves Party Poker from this matter by technicality. But I say this in the same way that Bill Clinton claimed "that I did not have sexual relations with that woman" well I guess he didn't she had relations with him.

Lots of good info and I expect to give a full report prior to November 1st as I'm now just giving the various parties time to consider giving a response. I don't expect much in that regard but I do owe them a chance.

My prediction when all is said and done is that PPL$ will seize to be on Party Poker due to the scandal or it will be reformed heavily. My goal when starting out is to highlight corruption for the purpose of forcing the Parties involved to do the right thing. It is apparent that doing the right thing has to be forced upon them. But the end result will be a level transparent playing field for all, which is what players deserve.

Sect7G, your article will be about this specific thing? I can share some light and answer some questions, if you have any, but have new account and can't send PM for now.

Don't forget the fact that the biggest poker news site is owned by the biggest poker site

Where did your thread on FB go? Why did you delete it?

Hope mods could enable PMs for me too if that is possible

For the uninitiated..


Roberto:



Paul Jackson:

Been paid off by BRS. A pro PP/BRS thread will be up shortly

Anyone can form a group or a company in order to leverage a deal.

if soft play or collusion are not part of the deal, then as a player im playing a fair game.

Do you think those players have an edge on you for any reason? go ahead, apply, build your own staking group, or just go on your own.

both have upsides and downsides, you pick.

for those complaining about the deals, treats, or whatever, go get a job, **** up in big way and then tell me what sweet words you got back for being an ungrateful guy

I played a lot against BRS players in FF NL100 and up,even reported them to PP cause all had similar stats and so they explained they are all from the same learning group.
I hope nothing shady like collusion went on there.
Some of these guys are still playing by the way.

Once again, you're free to **** off and never read this thread again if it makes you so sad, because you seem furry furry mad :'((

you want to play moderator or what?
your post hardly contributes anything more than a bounch of "bad boy" words

you seem mad bro, im chill, just explaining stuff to some complaining kids.

see you at the tables ( if you still have any roll left by the time i finish typing )


As i said before, you can complain or you can own your life.

You think putting a smile emoji gets you off??

I planned to let this go but you seem to still be bitter about getting caught and then trying to sell out your players. I never once mentioned your name but you seem to try and troll wherever you can. As for calling me names on a public forum just shows how pathetic you are. I could have shown the whole conversation that you insta deleted but was too late! since you have so many people brown nosing you and under your spell I just think you have the cheek to call people rats as for those people who believe your intentions are good they will learn one day after you throw them under the bus too.

This thread is getting really interesting. I was aware of pokerwinners having the same deal as BRS (to some degree at least), but had not heard of bitb being involved. I had suspected it might be possible due to Patrick's ties to party though.

Who would have guessed that someone like him might have ulterior motives other than growing Party to be a competitor to stars? Funny thing is he recently said he isn't in staking for the money, but to get enjoyment out of seeing his team succeed (or something to that effect). I for one am not surprised.

I'm done playing on party until I can be 100% convinced that everything is straight up. They need to not only end all of these shady deals, but also outright ban any stable from playing on their site.

Thanks to all the contributors to this thread.

and how are you contributing to anything with those remarks you made about him having any roll left?

Who needs a roll? Just suck at poker and join a stable.

As I said before, you are free to **** off any time you like and not be butthurt by this thread. Clearly you choose to be a sowwy ass whiny biatch.

touche, i could have taken another path on that one. you attacking the straw man on your comment also, behind any irony, point was:

maybe he realises he is wasting energy on that train of thought he has, instead of studying or do something that helps himself to be a better position.

if you can do that, and build a life you think its worth living while not ****ing anyone in the process, good for you.

This thread is going a different direction than it should, so please just keep off with those unnecessary instults and EVERYONE keep on the topic.

The players being offered the freeroll obviously benefit, the stable tumors benefit if they also get 25% and PP takes a 50% loss assuming 1.0 markup of the player. PP as a whole doesn't benefit, but perhaps certain people that work there do.

I considered a runaway effect in entrants, so by offering a guarantee of x they get 1000 entrants but by offering 0.7x they get only 500 entrants and by offering 0.5x they may just get 100 entrants. So by doubling their guarantee they might get 10 times the entrants they otherwise would.

If the player ability is 0.9 times average (slightly losing) and they charge 10% of the buyin as fee they require about 5 times as many entrants in rake as the loss of each donk they put in the tourney. So if they double the guarantee and are short about 150 (15%) entrants it makes sense to put in these guys.

Bit of quick (and probably wrong) math and it assumes you really have a huge increase due to raising the guarantees, and only then might it make sense for every party financially. Since they would then also shatter the guarantee they set due to the increased entrants it's more like they can afford to miss maybe 5% or something like that.

[QUOTE=monkeyheaven;54384123]Follow the money. How are BRS, PP or DTD profiting from these practices, I assume they must be but it’s not obvious how?


If DTD/PP have a % of X amount of players in the field (as is alleged) then obviously they benefit from this. Essentially if the tournament was going to overlay - they are not losing out on any more money than they would have if they didn't have a stake in the players, however they have a chance (no matter how slim) of recouping some of that outlay should their "horses" finish itm. Let's face it, Poker is supposed to be a game with zero house edge and by having players in the field staked by the operator, this ceases to be the case.

Yes when the guarantee is set obviously even a 0.00001 player will be less of a loss than the full buy in. The question is why they set the guarantee so high for that to even happen.

Agree with this.

It seems that the only people losing in this situation are party who are losing money on putting losing players into their own tournaments to meet guarantees.

People playing these tournaments by buying in themselves play against softer fields so that’s fine.

If party weren’t doing this then all it would mean is smaller tougher fields and I am not sure who that benefits apart from their competitors.

As someone that plays in these games I am fine with them using this strategy.

As long as there is no collusion amongst players ( and why would they their interests are to make money for themselves not for any company ) then I don’t see the problem for the players.

From every interaction I have had with Party and it’s team at live events I would have high levels of confidence that they are running these tournaments with great integrity in regards to fair play at the tables.

Can I just ask what are peoples objections to this situation other than they are not getting the free rolls offered in 5ks.

Taken from another thread (dec/17):


Smells really bad considering that other post about Romanello having a business relationship with party's CEO: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=157