defqon20 ???

the anti shill ?

Jeez, I hope nobody screenshots conversations I've had about BRS both when with them and before I joined.....but frankly if we are policing someone's thoughts harsher than the actions of 2 companies then its a bloody strange world.

If there's proof of that, I imagine the UK Gambling Commission might be interested in seeing it.

I have been sort of following this thread. So much is going on, that I am not sure I get it all. Plus, I don’t have an understanding of the nature of PPL vs online. I gather that there are tickets and satellites on the PP online site that are only usable in live tourneys sponsored by Party. So...


1: it is alleged that the guarantees of the live events are met by free or discounted entries given to members of a stable that was unofficially coordinating with Party for this purpose.

2: the stable was also given some sort of incentive or compensation to put players into the online qualifiers for these live tickets, presumably to help the live attendance.

3: the stable in question has shuttered its ‘academy’ of lesser players and has reduced/eliminated website and social media.

4: the stable was shady in its practices, which is no surprise to anyone.

5: there is an investigative article in the works about all of this and this is where we stand itt atm.

Is the above a basic summary so far?

1. correct - this is 100% correct and proven.

2: correct - this is 100% correct and proven.

3: correct - this is 100% correct and proven.

4: correct.

5: Correct.

pokerwinners and bitb staking seem to have got off lightly when they have the exact same deal so ive heard from both friends in both stables, its all corrupt and as much as i hate brs some light should be shed on other staking companies getting the same thing as well, i say out them all

I think the shadyist bit (if its true and can be proven) is PartyPoker keeping any % of winnings for players that BRS buy into the tournaments to hit the Guarantee. they are basically freerolling the other players in the tournament.

partypoker keep % of all the stables and its about time they are called out and having their sponsored pro running bitb is a bit suspicious, all the players who brs sacked went to pokerwinners for the same deals too can anyone clarify?

Bitb is actively involved in the same practices? I knew stables were cancer but if that turns out to be correct it pretty much shows there is no reason to not ban every single one of them from poker sites and from 2+2 frankly.

Why the hell 2+2 allows stables to advertise is beyond me.

I had a brief spell with BRS, and have friends that are or were part of BRS.

Few points:

-There has been a deal between Party and BRS, since before PPL, where seats/credit won by players were exchanged for their cash value. I presume this is/was done to help with sats running, especially the partypoker live events (DTD, Caribbean. Sochi, etc). Players are told not to talk to others outside BRS about this.
- Mentors are told to withhold information from their groups, keep them in the dark about specific details.
- The owner of BRS is an arrogant, abrupt character who lives in a world where everybody licks his arse to gain favour or for fear of being dropped. He uses threats and rudeness to keep people in their place, including his mentors, who seem to follow his example in relating to people and their specific groups. (As somebody who was in the academy mentioned above). On numerous occasions I have witnessed him trying to humiliate people in front of a whole group.
-NMU seats (No Make Up) seats were previously given for DTD and partypoker events, players given 25% of any winnings. These are given for Party MTTs that aren’t going to make guarantee. Presumably some sort of deal with Party.
-BRS is clearly based upon deals to help DTD and Party, and profit from supplying heads to enter the tournaments. With producing and supporting winning players of secondary importance. Whether this is ethical, or legal is obviously up for debate.

this is the same deal my friend got at pokerwinners and bitb so it has to be true

partypoker need to comment about these stables and however many others they are using

I'm a journalist for a pokernews company. I have just been linked to this thread.
After wasting my time reading through the comments the above comment seems to be the only one which makes sense.
This thread just looks like it's full of sour ex brs players, sour ex brs academy players and begrudgers who are making false accusations without proof, only hearsay.
If anyone is willing to forward me some 'legit' proof please contact me.
Please don't waste my time and repeat any of the nonsense in this thread.

You're welcome to **** off and not come back to this thread.

Lol journalist for a pokernews company. Like, is this 2007?

I agree with Kelvis, whatever you are, go back to wherever you belong.

+1

im no stable Player!

i want to read -to know- and im happy and thankfull the People post here!

go on

i'm working with a lot more than hearsay at this point. carry on

Sounds like you're "journalist" from BRS & BitB Staking News to me.

Well, I guess everyone needs their own Goebbels.

Wow those screenshots are so damning for me - one clearly written as a joke with a beaming laughing face at the end; the other is me ADVISING someone to win GOLIATH - Do i even need to pick this apart?

Your accusations of stealing are wild and unfounded and I am sure even Tom himself would say it here even though we havent spoken since. If anyone got stolen from it was me and the debate was whether I owed someone money, which in the end Ipaid even though zi didnt agree, so why dont you stop running your mouth, you worthless rat.

This whole debate is about the huge scam that is BRS anyway, but I can't resist.

Sorry Dave, could you forward us all your "legit" credentials as based on your statement I wouldn't want to waste my time providing proof to someone who approaches a story with the mindset that the commenters are sour toward BRS.


Fwiw I have no ill feeling toward BRS (and would talk quite openly about how suspect the practices were even before I parted company with them) as they presented me with opportunities that I could never have achieved playing on my own roll.


There are definitely things going on that even if not illegal, are ethically questionable at best - for example, for the general public PPL$ are non transferable however for BRS they are centrally banked and distributed to others in order to put players into live events: If BRS are able to decide to buy 3 people into a tournament using 1 person's PPL$ then the public should also be given the same options surely?!


Furthermore, IF the allegations, that DTD/PartyPoker receive a % of the money earned by the players that are staked, are even plausible then any credible "Journalist" would be eager to investigate this.

Ive made a post about this thread on my Facebook group UK POKER ROOM, its getting plenty of engagement but no true facts if this is down to ex BRS players bitterness or truth its really going on, if anyone would like to join my group feel free and give your opinions or facts about it all.https://www.facebook.com/groups/1208...?ref=bookmarks

Would be good to actually get the truth from a profile that we can see not someone hiding behind a username

Leo, fwiw anyone who takes screenshots of "conversations" and presents them as evidence however doesn't show the whole conversation isn't worth responding to let alone defending yourself against. We could all post one sentence someone has sent us and tell whatever story we like with it.

Anyone who says that they have never thought "If I win £100k playing a tournament i'd probably just quit and keep it all rather than walk away with £25k" is a liar but thinking it and doing it are two very different things

As for what went down with your stable and partners, you were very open about it and sought advice from the community about how to proceed - if people want to turn that into a negative then let them, it only makes them look classless not you!

Im new to this site so if my links not allowed please delete, sorry if i broke any rules.

I've heard rumors of all this BRS related stuff for a while now. A proper investigation might be in order but from what I've learned this year about the poker world, it's one of many things going on that need investigating.

I think the community lost this fight a long time ago with so many of the people who have influence never speaking up about it. The people with the most influence have been sponsored by sites and the issues with security, rake, bots, scams etc etc on all the different sites have been building and building. Take a look at the biggest poker players and look at what type of voice, stance, or influence they've tried to have on the industry and for the sites. Most of them are silent or paid off.

ACR is the biggest site in America. I think I'm one of the only people to consistently speak out about this site all year. They had mass ****ing cheating in every area of the website. They refunded players tens of thousands of dollars admitting this. They had a tournament loophole exploit open for years until I made a video about it. They had and have the most obvious low stakes PLO bots in action for 800k hands and still in action now. No one says anything. People still play there.

WSOP.com is laughable
PPPoker random Instagram poker players market their site better than most actual poker sites.
Scams galore w/ all the agent sites.

Chinese poker app is full of collusion and lack of security.
GGpoker has uncapped PLO rake and no one seems to mind
Stars has said they want to eliminate winning players.
Bots are galore at most of the sites.
Lack of security on the agent sites and most sites.
The people who work for the sites don't give much a ****.
Media doesn't give much a **** about poker and most are only still doing it because they don't know what else to do.
Most players want to do something else but aren't sure what else to do to maintain income or lifestyle.
Poker players are trying to hold on to whatever they can in order to still make money.
Sponsored players never speak up.

I could go on and on.

The main person to speak out against most of this stuff and actually take a stance against things that so many casuals and professionals love in the industry was ran out of town in Doug. People saying okay we get it, rake sucks but we love DN, we love Pokerstars, we love their professionals, stop bad mouthing them, you are toxic, OMG DRAMA OMG VIEWS. GET OVER IT, deal with it, etc.

Congrats on owning a time machine then!