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10-15-2018 , 02:44 PM
tbh I'm not so outraged by two employees playing while wearing a Party Poker patch. Yes it does cut into the expected overlay but it's been done in a relatively transparent manner. If they have 50 support workers wearing hoodies I'd take exception.

To take it one step further if Party were to have announced that they have an arrangement with staking companies to back players into Live Events that are expected to overlay then I'd also be ok with it. The reason being the transparency. I wouldn't agree with the business model, I would expect that game play decisions would vastly differ from other tourneys and I wouldn't play in these tourneys for a lot of practical and moral reasons but I'd be ok if they ran because its been done in a transparent manner.
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10-15-2018 , 02:48 PM
Nice to see an article being written about this and all the conversation that's been taking place in the industry.

I'd ask that people continue to reach out and I'm more than happy to talk with stables but the information has to be a one way street until I know where your business interests lay.
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10-17-2018 , 07:22 PM
so i was unsure weather to comment on this post but i think i should. firstly id like to state i was a BRS player, and im not bitter in anyway and have any reason to slander them.
but in order to shed some light ill ive some insight to the goings on. i am far from a winning player and was easily accepted into what was BRS "academy group" once accepted i was added to a facebook group with over 100 members we was given ulimited packages for 10x$5.50 sats and 10x$22 sats daily everyday we get offered no make up entrys into multiple tournys online on party poker and are told we must not play on any other poker site. within weeks i was staked into £550 buyin tournies at DTD i was entered into 1k tournies during the millions with multiple entries for 25% of any winnings i got entered with multiple bullits into the 5k dispite being vastly under qualified by my own admisson. i must stress we was not allowed to late reg or rebuy in the sats but as a whole we as players was bleeding money for BRS, not so long ago. paul jackson put a post in the group saying he was gettin rid of the academy as it was attracting the wrong type of players and too many recreational players i was moved to the "main group" in this group we had a daily roll of atleast £200 a day and had multime no make up entrys into multiple $215 $109 etc, as far as the claim that we had to play soft against each other i never experiened that but was lots of occasions where players got "in trouble" if they played a hand less thean optimally against fellow BRS players. for along time i was confused as to how they make money because the majority of brs players are losing players i can confirm that, they do have some winning players but not enough to sustain a profitable business. ill happily answer any questions in regards to BRS and many players and ex players will be able to confirm what im saying
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10-17-2018 , 07:32 PM
There has been a load of speculation about how BRS operates but nothing from anyone that played for them. I applied and was successful in being accepted in their academy in March this year on a 50/50 split.

I was given a daily roll of £50 a day to play exclusively on partypoker upto a max buy-in of $16.50. As long as these were not satellites there was no restriction on playing mtt’s upto that amount. From that perspective I don’t think there is anything untoward going on.

There were times where you would have the opportunity to be bought in to games above your roll, they called it NMU, later renaming it BRSR. These were posted up in their secret Facebook group and was a fastest finger 1st. Whoever put there name down quickest got funds sent for the comp upto however many seats they were ‘funding’. Generally this was between $33- $109. The cut was worked out differently for these games. Each Monday you would have 50% of all BRSR cashes that week deducted straight out your Profit and loss account. The remaining 50% went into your p&l, which was great if in deficit but not if in profit as you would lose another 50% of what you won. So essentially for BRSR your percentage was 25%. It did seem very low, but if it is true that a cut was taken by party then that explains it. Tbh I never really thought about where the money for these comps came from as just saw it as a way to increase my balance and return.

PPL is when things did get shady. I think in May, can’t remember the exact timeframe, they started doing ‘packages’ for 10 x 5.50 $ ppl sats and 10 x $22 sats. This worked on the basis that any cashes from with any PPL was on the same terms as BRSR. 50% direct to BRS the remaining 50% into your p&l. This was believed to be funded by party/dtd as the strict instructions were to ‘only reg to min runners to make sure they ran’. Any breach of this led to ‘reprimands’ by the academy manager (I’ll get onto that in a bit). There was no limit to how many times you could request funds to play these. You could essentially play an unlimited number of these. Any PPL funds that were won were taken out of your PPL account balance and held ‘centrally by BRS’. When you wanted to play you would ask the manager for permission to play a certain comp and if approved funds would be sent to your PPL account. So you did not have any control of your PPL funds and could not use it as you wanted like any other player. The one big catch with any PPL won was that if your sponsorship was terminated you would lose all the PPL you had won and would be kept by BRS.

There was on occasion opportunities of BRSR live events. For the most recent Grand Prix’s at DTD they were giving away what seemed like unlimited seats and multiple bullets per day 1 for any BRS player.

The management of the academy was horrific. The manager was clearly power hungry and got off on having that power to dictate. They would make up the rules as they went along and would ‘zero’ you (make your daily roll 0) for any tiny infringement of the rules or cos they felt like it. Before joining it stated on their now defunct website that you would have regular mentoring from the manager to help develop your game so you could get into the ‘main group’. In 6 months I never got any of this mentoring. I had been asking for 3 months for that mentoring and each time was ignored. When looking up their stats on sharkscope they have losses of over 40k and getting deeper. I don’t understand how a stable can have a manager that is clearly a high stakes fish ‘mentoring and developing’ players.

From a players perspective I did not consider or think about where or how I was being funded. I utilised the opportunities I had put in front of me. I do not regret any of them. I never played any hand or game soft against other BRS players and regularly bust, and got busted, by other BRS players. I do not begrudge any other player in the academy for taking advantage of any of the opportunities they had, as let’s be honest we all would if we had the same opportunities.

Things started to change in September. They announced that they were changing the profit distribution for BRSR for tourneys from $109 and up. They were going to take the buy-in back from any cash before any profit spilt, this made it almost worthless as a min cash would be worth so little to you.

On the 25th September Paul Jackson the owner of BRS posted in the Facebook page:

WE have decided to make some large scale changes in our recruitment endeavours and to focus more on quality rather than quantity.

To that end we have decided to close down our Facebook page our Website and end the BRS academy which whilst nice to have given many players a shot has proved very expensive time consuming and very administratively burdensome with only a very few (1% of all initial applicants) players actually going from academy application to main group of BRS.

The FB page and Website have also proved to be primarily successful at attracting academy rather than proven experienced players and the cost and administration of running and populating information in these portals (which need updating and managing) is also costly time consuming and just has not and does not generate the quality of player we want long term to justify the time and cost of maintain them.

So there is no longer a requirement or desire for players to publicly shout about other BRS player wins as this tends to increase the quantity of lower end applications more than anything else as people we would ordinarily not stake see the chance of getting a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.

The vast majority of quality applicants come from word of mouth and the refer a friend scheme (which will continue) as well as other good players seeing us at major live events and we will focus on these areas going forward to attract new quality players.

Applications via refer a friend will now by done via email, with friends being referred emailing applications@brstaking.com, from which they will receive an application form via email

We will be taking on no new academy players at all from now on.

The academy will now be a trial group so that players that may not be good enough to be taken on through the experienced player route but who we feel have some potential to be guided forward, can still get a shot at showing us what they can do with the aid of our support system and coaching.


This was the 1st sign that things were not all that it seemed and that there was something else going on. At this point all PPL and BRSR funding stopped.

I had my contract terminated with no justification after month end payments at the end of September. At first this was surprising as I had combined profits over £1000 in both August and September.

From friends who had stayed in the academy I’m told that the group appears to have been disbanded in the last 24hrs. There have been mass sackings with some of the players sacked having banked 1000s in $PPL which is now owned by BRS.

In concluding yes partypoker and BRS appeared to be very closely affiliated especially when it came to PPL sats and live buy ins. But I think it’s also worth noting they have screwed over their players by sacking them and keeping PPL that has been won. That’s one hell of a shady practice that shouldn’t be allowed.

This is my experience with BRS. I took full advantage of all the opportunities I had put in front of me. But where the money that funds you comes from is vague and not clear and would not at all be surprised if it’s from party/dtd. Everything that has happened in the last 3 weeks does seem to be in response to the bad publicity about BRS. My gut feeling is that party/dtd has ended its affiliation with BRS due to the publicity about its conduct which is why so many players have had their sponsorship terminated.
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10-17-2018 , 08:12 PM
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PPL is when things did get shady. I think in May, can’t remember the exact timeframe, they started doing ‘packages’ for 10 x 5.50 $ ppl sats and 10 x $22 sats. This worked on the basis that any cashes from with any PPL was on the same terms as BRSR. 50% direct to BRS the remaining 50% into your p&l. This was believed to be funded by party/dtd as the strict instructions were to ‘only reg to min runners to make sure they ran’. Any breach of this led to ‘reprimands’ by the academy manager (I’ll get onto that in a bit). There was no limit to how many times you could request funds to play these. You could essentially play an unlimited number of these. Any PPL funds that were won were taken out of your PPL account balance and held ‘centrally by BRS’. When you wanted to play you would ask the manager for permission to play a certain comp and if approved funds would be sent to your PPL account. So you did not have any control of your PPL funds and could not use it as you wanted like any other player. The one big catch with any PPL won was that if your sponsorship was terminated you would lose all the PPL you had won and would be kept by BRS.

There was on occasion opportunities of BRSR live events. For the most recent Grand Prix’s at DTD they were giving away what seemed like unlimited seats and multiple bullets per day 1 for any BRS player.

The management of the academy was horrific. The manager was clearly power hungry and got off on having that power to dictate. They would make up the rules as they went along and would ‘zero’ you (make your daily roll 0) for any tiny infringement of the rules or cos they felt like it. Before joining it stated on their now defunct website that you would have regular mentoring from the manager to help develop your game so you could get into the ‘main group’. In 6 months I never got any of this mentoring. I had been asking for 3 months for that mentoring and each time was ignored. When looking up their stats on sharkscope they have losses of over 40k and getting deeper. I don’t understand how a stable can have a manager that is clearly a high stakes fish ‘mentoring and developing’ players.

From a players perspective I did not consider or think about where or how I was being funded. I utilised the opportunities I had put in front of me. I do not regret any of them. I never played any hand or game soft against other BRS players and regularly bust, and got busted, by other BRS players. I do not begrudge any other player in the academy for taking advantage of any of the opportunities they had, as let’s be honest we all would if we had the same opportunities.

Things started to change in September. They announced that they were changing the profit distribution for BRSR for tourneys from $109 and up. They were going to take the buy-in back from any cash before any profit spilt, this made it almost worthless as a min cash would be worth so little to you.

On the 25th September Paul Jackson the owner of BRS posted in the Facebook page:

WE have decided to make some large scale changes in our recruitment endeavours and to focus more on quality rather than quantity.

To that end we have decided to close down our Facebook page our Website and end the BRS academy which whilst nice to have given many players a shot has proved very expensive time consuming and very administratively burdensome with only a very few (1% of all initial applicants) players actually going from academy application to main group of BRS.

The FB page and Website have also proved to be primarily successful at attracting academy rather than proven experienced players and the cost and administration of running and populating information in these portals (which need updating and managing) is also costly time consuming and just has not and does not generate the quality of player we want long term to justify the time and cost of maintain them.

So there is no longer a requirement or desire for players to publicly shout about other BRS player wins as this tends to increase the quantity of lower end applications more than anything else as people we would ordinarily not stake see the chance of getting a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.

The vast majority of quality applicants come from word of mouth and the refer a friend scheme (which will continue) as well as other good players seeing us at major live events and we will focus on these areas going forward to attract new quality players.

Applications via refer a friend will now by done via email, with friends being referred emailing applications@brstaking.com, from which they will receive an application form via email

We will be taking on no new academy players at all from now on.

The academy will now be a trial group so that players that may not be good enough to be taken on through the experienced player route but who we feel have some potential to be guided forward, can still get a shot at showing us what they can do with the aid of our support system and coaching.


This was the 1st sign that things were not all that it seemed and that there was something else going on. At this point all PPL and BRSR funding stopped.

I had my contract terminated with no justification after month end payments at the end of September. At first this was surprising as I had combined profits over £1000 in both August and September.

From friends who had stayed in the academy I’m told that the group appears to have been disbanded in the last 24hrs. There have been mass sackings with some of the players sacked having banked 1000s in $PPL which is now owned by BRS.

In concluding yes partypoker and BRS appeared to be very closely affiliated especially when it came to PPL sats and live buy ins. But I think it’s also worth noting they have screwed over their players by sacking them and keeping PPL that has been won. That’s one hell of a shady practice that shouldn’t be allowed.

This is my experience with BRS. I took full advantage of all the opportunities I had put in front of me. But where the money that funds you comes from is vague and not clear and would not at all be surprised if it’s from party/dtd. Everything that has happened in the last 3 weeks does seem to be in response to the bad publicity about BRS. My gut feeling is that party/dtd has ended its affiliation with BRS due to the publicity about its conduct which is why so many players have had their sponsorship terminated.

very interesting. can anybody else confirm/deny that BRS players were able to use PPL to register future online games?

that their funds could go into a centralized controlled account and cashed out for profit?

As a regular in these games, I obviously suspected a connection between BRS and PPL, never suspected collusion or team play, just that they helped fill the games

I never imagined it it would be anything this unfair to all of the other players in the game. Where we can only use PPL$ for live tournaments, can't reuse for buyins online, can't transfer them, have strict expiration date of 2 years.

I will be following this closely and waiting on responses from the Party(s) involved if they wish to alleviate my concerns
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10-17-2018 , 09:03 PM
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very interesting. can anybody else confirm/deny that BRS players were able to use PPL to register future online games?

that their funds could go into a centralized controlled account and cashed out for profit?

As a regular in these games, I obviously suspected a connection between BRS and PPL, never suspected collusion or team play, just that they helped fill the games

I never imagined it it would be anything this unfair to all of the other players in the game. Where we can only use PPL$ for live tournaments, can't reuse for buyins online, can't transfer them, have strict expiration date of 2 years.

I will be following this closely and waiting on responses from the Party(s) involved if they wish to alleviate my concerns
i can 100% confirm that i won thousands in ppl$ and when i log in to my ppl account it says "moved to brs" and we could use them in online games aswel
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10-18-2018 , 12:19 AM
thanks for the confirmation and more via inbox. I welcome any and all messages on this matter
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10-18-2018 , 06:53 AM
Will give my 2 cents on the whole thing as I used to play for them in the past.

-There was time when Partypoker gave tokens directly to players accounts to play sattelites and their biggest daily guarantee tourneys

-Most tokens won in the sattelites where exchangable to cash

-There were bunch of last minute NMU(no make up) shots to play tourneys way over your limit and sometimes money were sent by BRS and sometimes from Party in form of tokens and you get to keep 25% of profits. Not sure how they split up the rest 75% but as it would have overlayed - it's better to have some stable(in this case BRS) to jump in last minute and get some money back for Party even if everyone playing is a losing player in those stakes.

If anyone has questions - feel free to ask!
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10-18-2018 , 07:24 AM
As a former BRS player I am more than happy to be contacted with regard to the shady links and practices!
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10-18-2018 , 07:32 AM
NOW we're getting somewhere! popcorn.gif

The link between partypoker/Rob Yong and BRS is pretty undeniable now. Can a media member please push someone from party to comment on this?
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10-18-2018 , 08:31 AM
I was also asked to chipdump/softplay in sattelite but refused to do it when I had a ticket locked up, although I don't think that happens often and heard it only once and after my refusal - never again was asked that.

There were also times when accounts were used by not the original owner of the account.
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10-18-2018 , 08:45 AM
I used to own my own small stable playing SNGs and Low Stakes MTTs, when I ran in to trouble with my partner I received and offer from BRS to take over financing and I was to continue as a mentor. I was there for around 3 months, with my group making close to £50k profit including live scores. When it was found that I was explaining to my group (who at that time had been my group including outside of BRS for around a year, and so some good friends too) that the deal they were getting was not all as it seemed and that perhaps our transition was a bad idea, I INSTANTLY had my group taken away and was ejected from BRS as well as threatened on Facebook. My players were approached at Goliath and offered seats in to High buy in live events in exchange for sharing information (mostly Skype conversations)

I was told I would not be paid my (miserable) share of one of my players £35k scores, my "communication with BRS management" was not up to scratch (even though when I started it was agreed that due to past player performance I had free rein to do my own thing) and I was also booked to go to Sochi to play the £5k main (inc flights and accom booked from own dime) which was also cancelled.

BRS is BEYOND seedy. I have heard many many rumours from people very close to the source that DTD and Party Poker put people in any event, players get 25%, Paul Jackson/BRS get 25% and DTD/Party Poker get 50% of any cashes. Not only is their practice in these situations shady as f*@k, but they are also misleading their players who are on a regular staking deal with them, but lying about/dismissing allegations about the deal their players receive.

If anyone has any specific questions they would like answering then fire away and I will answer to the best of my knowledge.
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10-18-2018 , 08:55 AM
Patrick Leonard defends stables being in donkaments to fill guarantees. Is he aware that PP actively approaches stable tumors to fill their gurantees and/or is he actively involved?
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10-18-2018 , 08:58 AM
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Patrick Leonard defends stables being in donkaments to fill guarantees. Is he aware that PP actively approaches stable tumors to fill their gurantees and/or is he actively involved?
It is impossible that he doesn't know IMO.
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10-18-2018 , 09:42 AM
It took less than one hour for me to receive a message request on facebook from none other than: Paul Jackson.
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10-18-2018 , 09:50 AM
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It took less than one hour for me to receive a message request on facebook from none other than: Paul Jackson.
Tell him to add me on Skype. I do promise him a fair shake.
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10-18-2018 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by deffonotme
I used to own my own small stable playing SNGs and Low Stakes MTTs, when I ran in to trouble with my partner I received and offer from BRS to take over financing and I was to continue as a mentor. I was there for around 3 months, with my group making close to £50k profit including live scores. When it was found that I was explaining to my group (who at that time had been my group including outside of BRS for around a year, and so some good friends too) that the deal they were getting was not all as it seemed and that perhaps our transition was a bad idea, I INSTANTLY had my group taken away and was ejected from BRS as well as threatened on Facebook. My players were approached at Goliath and offered seats in to High buy in live events in exchange for sharing information (mostly Skype conversations)

I was told I would not be paid my (miserable) share of one of my players £35k scores, my "communication with BRS management" was not up to scratch (even though when I started it was agreed that due to past player performance I had free rein to do my own thing) and I was also booked to go to Sochi to play the £5k main (inc flights and accom booked from own dime) which was also cancelled.

BRS is BEYOND seedy. I have heard many many rumours from people very close to the source that DTD and Party Poker put people in any event, players get 25%, Paul Jackson/BRS get 25% and DTD/Party Poker get 50% of any cashes. Not only is their practice in these situations shady as f*@k, but they are also misleading their players who are on a regular staking deal with them, but lying about/dismissing allegations about the deal their players receive.

If anyone has any specific questions they would like answering then fire away and I will answer to the best of my knowledge.

I was with "Deffonotme"and moved to BRS.

leo told us was becasue he had no money to fund us after he had a big fall out with his partner and and the deals we got with BRS were exactly what we were told they would be nothing more nothing less.

When he fell out with them and was sacked he told us to deleiberately lose money online and also to steal any money while being staked by them at the Goliath
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10-18-2018 , 10:11 AM
I was also recently let go by BRS and i had $1400 PPL unused at the time.

I asked ages ago if i could use them for online stuff and was told they were only usable for Live MTT and some expenses and couldnt be used for anythiung online.

when i was let go i asked what wud happen to my unused PPL as i thought they might keep them but was told i can use them when i want for live stuff i just need sort it with them when i wanted it
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10-18-2018 , 10:18 AM
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I was with "Deffonotme"and moved to BRS.

leo told us was becasue he had no money to fund us after he had a big fall out with his partner and and the deals we got with BRS were exactly what we were told they would be nothing more nothing less.

When he fell out with them and was sacked he told us to deleiberately lose money online and also to steal any money while being staked by them at the Goliath
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I was also recently let go by BRS and i had $1400 PPL unused at the time.

I asked ages ago if i could use them for online stuff and was told they were only usable for Live MTT and some expenses and couldnt be used for anythiung online.

when i was let go i asked what wud happen to my unused PPL as i thought they might keep them but was told i can use them when i want for live stuff i just need sort it with them when i wanted it
The shill has arrived ! Welcome.
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10-18-2018 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by deffonotme
I used to own my own small stable playing SNGs and Low Stakes MTTs, when I ran in to trouble with my partner I received and offer from BRS to take over financing and I was to continue as a mentor. I was there for around 3 months, with my group making close to £50k profit including live scores. When it was found that I was explaining to my group (who at that time had been my group including outside of BRS for around a year, and so some good friends too) that the deal they were getting was not all as it seemed and that perhaps our transition was a bad idea, I INSTANTLY had my group taken away and was ejected from BRS as well as threatened on Facebook. My players were approached at Goliath and offered seats in to High buy in live events in exchange for sharing information (mostly Skype conversations)

I was told I would not be paid my (miserable) share of one of my players £35k scores, my "communication with BRS management" was not up to scratch (even though when I started it was agreed that due to past player performance I had free rein to do my own thing) and I was also booked to go to Sochi to play the £5k main (inc flights and accom booked from own dime) which was also cancelled.

BRS is BEYOND seedy. I have heard many many rumours from people very close to the source that DTD and Party Poker put people in any event, players get 25%, Paul Jackson/BRS get 25% and DTD/Party Poker get 50% of any cashes. Not only is their practice in these situations shady as f*@k, but they are also misleading their players who are on a regular staking deal with them, but lying about/dismissing allegations about the deal their players receive.

If anyone has any specific questions they would like answering then fire away and I will answer to the best of my knowledge.

I was a player within this small stable. I would just like to inform everyone that none of the players got approached by BRS and offered high buy-in seats we was all told that we was sacked because our manager (the guy who posted above) broke the rules and tried to sell a % of a seat he had been Staked by BRS so basically trying to steal free money. This said manager then told us via skype chat to run with the buy-ins and in his words "Win the goliath and take the money"

We were also advised to request our full daily roll from BRS and deliberately lose it online

so i'm not sure this post has any credit
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10-18-2018 , 10:22 AM
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The shill has arrived ! Welcome.
i domnt know what a shill is i am just telling the truth as happened to me

i dont know what did or didnt happen with anyone esle im just saying what happened to me

sorry if u dont like it
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10-18-2018 , 10:40 AM
alot of conversations by skype , no skype screenshots..
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10-18-2018 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Defqon20
alot of conversations by skype , no skype screenshots..
Here are two links to show the screenshots showing what our manager had said to us during this time. I would also like to point out that the previous partners in the old stable had left because he had also stole money from them which was all over facebook.

https://i.postimg.cc/wvPXRvYd/img2.png

https://i.postimg.cc/2jKW5Pj4/img1.png
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10-18-2018 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Justsomefish
Here are two links to show the screenshots showing what our manager had said to us during this time. I would also like to point out that the previous partners in the old stable had left because he had also stole money from them which was all over facebook.

https://i.postimg.cc/wvPXRvYd/img2.png

https://i.postimg.cc/2jKW5Pj4/img1.png
Who is this Leo?
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