Again I apologise for doing so, but I still believe given the way this thread has been handled it's the only option. Fwiw, the Facebook thread has for the most part been handled in a much less childish manner than the vast majority of the other threads I've seen.

Ts & Cs certainly exclude banned players from playing an online Day1 and then taking their seat at a venue from which they have been banned.

Follow the money to find the motive

Staking players into tournaments which may have an overlay could clearly be good business for a backer, up to the point where they eliminate the value by hitting the required numbers.

Staking players into tournaments which may have an overlay that you/your company will be responsible for and having a share of any return feeding back to you/your company is better than just taking the overlay hit.

Leaving the PPL$ in your account worthless then?

Pisser if you have no idea you have been 'barred' from the venue until you arrive.

This will all boil down to wether or not PPL$ have real worth that falls under regulatory authority, or are simply a placeholder “ticket”.

Many times in online poker, the players depend and rely on the site to be legit. Poker is hard enough, that worrying about the validity of the very sight on which you play is an undue burden, imo.

This is so much an obvious ****up, that the only reason for no official statement is that entities responsible are busy with much more uncomfortable discussions with regulators.

All imo, of course.

The fact that PPL$ are held by a company with no obvious link to PartyPoker or Bwin is enough of a worry for me.
I’d love to see an audit trail of how the money paid to PP in entry fees transmits to PPL$.

Of course, the PPL$ might be held by PP until a Live venue calls for them. But nobody appears to be ready to tell us about that.

I played for BRS in 2011. I left after 1 month because they were pocketing 100% of the rakeback, only offering 40/60 splits and had a "carryover" system where 20% of your profit was rolled forward (pre-profit split) to the next month to "reduce variance".

When they were on iPoker (Coral) I had to order my bankroll a day in advance. Then some dodgy admin would credit my account and wipe the balance at the end of each day.

**** like this has been going on for a very long time. Paul Jackson has been in bed with Rob Yong/Dusk Till Dawn for as long as I can remember. When Dusk till Dawn got into bed with PartyPoker, it's little wonder the whole stable suddenly popped up over there.

There's a post somewhere, I recall reading it a couple of years back, where Colette (PP Rep) denies that DTD/BRS have any involvement with each other.

A lot of questions need to be answered.

The main being PPL$ and who they are operated by. Is it held in a separate bank account? The promotional material seems to suggest it's operated by Party but there does seem to be some conflicting information.

Rob Youg owning PartyPoker Live could just be the actual rights to the tour itself, similar to how John Duthie owned the EPT for many years before selling to Stars.

Does PartyPoker have a vested interest in their pros? Are they providing BIs in exchange for some of the pros action? AFAIK, Stars never did this and paid a 'salary' which had to be used in their events.

Did PartyPoker have an active financial interest in the staked players of BRS and other stables?

How does this affect the CPP and the Millions online? If I was playing the CPP I'd certainly be keeping an eye out as to who late regs these huge events, specifically the $10mGTD $25k. And the $20m $5k Millions online, I presume the plan was to have a hoard of BRS players in it....will these players find their way in still? Just because their social media is down and the majority of the punter players have been dropped, doesn't mean that their 'elite' players can't find a way in thru a more secretive deal organised directly with DTD.

I presume that the lack of BRS players has had a visible hit on the PPL$ sats?

Party need to clear all this confusion up ASAP.

LOL yes Michael

All of that reminds me of a few weeks ago when Party Poker added flags in the lobby like Stars have. They were only there for a few hours and then promptly removed, I think they said they were just testing them and will be rolled out in the future. Pure speculation on my part but I wonder if they removed it because they realized it would make it much easier for players to see how the field compositions change when latereg ends.

In more relevant news, grass is green, and someone somwhere thinks tomorrow will be sunny.

Maybe because 95% of the players who arent in these staking groups are not heading over to facebook to discuss this. Seriously, why do you think the feedback is so negative here and on facebook it's not?

This is happening up to the highest stakes. Most recent example - 100k Super High Roller at WSOPE in Rozvadov. At least 2 players were put into this one by Leon. First of them - Andrej Desset from Slovakia, playing 200€ buyins and now casually taking shot at 100k? Played the same event last year too. Second player - this year's winner and another Leon's horse and good friend Martin Kabrhel himself.

this "sweeping" of the accounts daily;

Did the staking group have accounts to members accounts via normal log in, ie did they know the users password?

Did the "sweeping" take the form of a transfer to another account, and was it always to the same account?

If either of the above happened its almost impossible for party not to be privy to what was going on.

I read here that some Staking company have the passwords of the horses and if you make mistakes according to the admin /like trying to withdraw while admin told you that you cant - some words trying to steal from the Stable/, PP/Staking company can seize you whole roll.

Afaik sweeping should be done from someone from Party and the Stable. Like someone from Party should do the math by how much some tourney will overlay and which one and then to give tickets to the Stables. Perhaps the easy way is the guys from Party are allowing unlimited thickets to all tourneys that can overlay and the admins from the Stables have access to them and give it to the horses some time before the late reg stops.

It has been extremely negative on Facebook as well, the response has been pretty similar. The difference is that there I'm not having a discussion with chunks of 2018 accounts with a posting history comprising this thread and nothing else. I'm also able to see what's going on better with regards to deleted posts.

Put yourself in my position - given all the heat BRS has taken and players have taken personally (myself included), I decided I had to say something. This thread has been constantly redirected by these 2018 accounts every time it looks like heading away from talking about how bad BRS is back to it. When it looks like it's dying down, a new account appears with something slightly different that we've supposedly done wrong. I don't even know if it's all the same person creating all this drama, or if each account is someone different, or if the answer is somewhere in between, but there's a definite trend.

As I've said, I'm also not happy with the way this thread has been handled. Posts revealing names of people who played for BRS are still up in this thread, and whereas the content of the post is relevant brandishing those names over this forum is wholly inappropriate in my opinion. A lot of these guys were just playing for the company, not running it and not knowing much about how it works, and some of them have received some very unpleasant personal attacks on social media. Credit to the mods, the clean up got rid of a lot of the more out of line personal stuff in this thread, but a lot of the damage had been done and I hope it's ok for me to say that I think that clean up was overdue.

I've now got to decide where I'm going to post my AMA. I've got to choose between this site and a Facebook forum which a lot of UK players (with BRS staking predominantly UK players and a lot of the arguments specifically relating to live activities in the UK) are members of. It's a public forum called Ace High with thousands of members, which has had several long and heated discussions specifically about BRS. On Facebook I can see who I'm speaking to and feel more able to speak to the moderators about how the thread is going (as far as I know nothing has been deleted on that thread, despite it getting nasty in places, which is what I'd wanted from the start). Yes, I reach less people, and yes that disadvantages people on here who have questions, but I had to choose where to go. I'd like to point out, too, that the title and original point of this thread wasn't to attack BRS.

I still think I made the right decision, and I hope you understand why I made it.

The thread on Ace High is extremely toxic, on both sides and your responses have been lost within. (I'd be happy to pm you on FB but that thread seems far less productive than here).

Am I right in thinking you've said you had no idea BRS members were able to transfer PPL? that seems either wilful ignorance or a lie, it seems massively implausible that you could be affiliated with BRS for so long and not know this was a thing.

At this point it does seem undeniable that BRS is used to prop up guarantees at DTD (possibly not the only stable) and if Partypoker / DTD / PPL or whoever is in charge received a penny of cashes they should lawyer up asap.

Fwiw I don't really think any BRS players are in the wrong here as it's an incredible opportunity to play a 5k when you normally play £30 tournaments.

Why are you doing an AMA but dont know how BRS worked? you only shine the good bits and deny anything shady was happening, why would you seemingly pickup this can of worms? is this a politicians plan to smooth over and then bring thru another staking club ?

the staking groups will not have logins, the admin staff for the said poker room have the ability to sweep the accounts on a daily basis putting the funds back to a "master account" the staking company will then advise the accounts and amounts to be credited on a daily basis.

So PP not only allows but also facilitates stable tumors?

Rexas, I get it, you are in a tough spot.

That sucks, sorry.

Do the ama here, Facebook isn't a poker site, this is.

The Facebook thread is absolute dross. Rambling replies from yourself that don't actually say anything useful. You could make it as a Politician. This post you made sums it up.

"You're right, I got nothing on DTD or any aspect of partypoker I'm afraid"

Funny that you used to work for DTD, not sure if posters in this thread are aware of that.

Pretty obvious that Rob Yong has been involved in funding BRS since they became involved with Party. Best thing that could happen now is he makes a statement to clear this up, then apply fair T&C's to everyone who has PPL and move forward from there.

Watching the PartyPoker live stream from WPT Montreal. Mike Sexton mentions that there is an overlay and someone in the comments asks "How many people did Party put in?" The moderator tells him to leave that sort of comment to the 2+2 forums.

Totally agree he gets all his minions to do his dirty work Silvia been the worst

Sorry fella but like I said in my post, only the MD's of GVC/Partypoker and DTD/Party Poker Live Limited can really answer any of this and it is only them I would like to hear from - and also maybe the "President" of Partypoker Live, John Duthie (although that in itself poses the question, is JD paid/employed/contracted by Party Poker Live Limited (Rob Yong 80%, Anthony Minnis 10%, Nick Whiten 10% as per filing) or GVC/Party Poker? Reason being, before all this kicked off, I and I presume many others thought that the announcement "John Duthie joins PartyPoker Live as its President" some time ago meant that he was pretty high up in Party Poker which is not actually the case is it - back then "Party Poker" was simply "Party Poker" to people like me. Now we know that the two entities are separate Companies and actually run by parties as set out above, questions have to be answered as to the deceiving nature of the setup, particularly when a virtual currency links the two Companies and operational responsibilities are intertwined. The whole thing is convoluted, opaque and all the antics people have been going on about are clearly the smoke billowing from the fire. Even people who have been past BRS players are admitting they have first hand evidence of collusion online and live, not to mention the fake "guarantees" stacked full of freerollers staked in to pay back winnings to BRS and/or Party directly or indirectly to offset any overlay.

As for the PPL dollars, if this was introduced by Party Poker Live Limited and is administered by them, then I'm sorry but surely that is a gigantic conflict of interest for GVC/Party Poker and having another Company with access, guardianship and/or management of PPL $ (again either directly, or indirectly through working with GVC/Party Poker) is just not right. I would have thought that there must be a master contract of sorts between these Companies governing the introducing, management and operation of PPL Live and the virtual currency, including in connection with the usage of the $ online and in live events at DTD for example.

There is no surprise actually that there is as someone said, "cricket noise" from all these parties as they are all implicated and if indeed the UKGC is investigating then someone else who said that they have probably all been told to stay quiet by their Company Lawyers is spot on. I doubt that until this has all been investigated and resolved we will hear anything at all from official representatives, management, directorship or beneficial owners of any of these entities - this is why there is so much chatter everywhere, largely because everyone has to speculate and effectively come up with their own assumptions and ideas, based on severely limited official information, hearsay and their own experiences such as in my own case.

One last point and very sorry to people for having to digress - some of you guys and girls, can you work on the grammar in your posts on fb especially as *** knows what the world must think of us when we can't get basic grammar and spelling right!

Examples -

"You're" = "you are," so if you want to say "you're an idiot" then ffs don't put "your" which is possessive ("your" thread, "your" words etc)

"They're" = "they are," so if you want to say "they're idiots" then ffs don't put "their" which is possessive ("their" threads, "their" words etc) or even "there" which is a noun (example "there are idiots over there")

That's it for now but they really are the easiest (and most common) errors to fix simply by remembering what you are trying to say.

Pretty sure that there may be some punctuation or grammatical cock-ups in my post as above as I wrote it quickly just for any of you English teachers intent on going through it to "correct me" rather than digest the content of the post for discussion.

Be lucky!

JP
(merely a simple rec trying to enjoy his poker trips without having to experience such scandals or illicit activity behind the scenes!)