Hi Captsetmine, feel free to post on the Facebook discussion if you have any specific questions for me.

I haven't been in the Facebook mentor chat, I have not lied about my knowledge of tickets and PPL, so I say this to you - prove it.

Also lol at me barring people from DTD, you're not as clued up as you think, I was barred from DTD myself since December last year until literally a few weeks ago. Sort your facts out mate, and stop trying to imitate James Ablott's screen name to cause drama.

Try reading the post again, nobody said you were going to get anybody barred. LOL!.There is no way you were on the BRS Facebook group and didn’t know tickets were swept for cash, I obviously have no way of proving it as the Facebook groups no longer exists, as you know. But anybody who was in the group before PPL, and tickets were being cashed, know that you are lying. Which is why I’m suspicious of the people coming on to lie and defend BRS if it no longer exists, personally I’m suspicious that these are the people who are going to be staying in the stable more discreetly this time.

You were in the mentors group, but again I don’t have proof. Bit of a fishy story though, I was a mentor at BRS but wasn’t in the mentor group chat, ok then. Unfortunately I’m not in the Ace High Facebook group, and not sure I’d want to comment anyway, so you can run and tell Paul Jackson to have me banned from certain places.

Where did you get this information from ?

"all the BRS players were exclusively on party and no other site."

This is completely untrue

they had players playing on 888 ipoker microgaming and Poker stars as well as party Poker

ppl$ sats have never been transferred to cash and they have never been used to play anything other than partypoker live mtts, which was what this whole thread was originally about, stop spreading false information, you are very clearly an ex brs member who is butt hurt about being sacked. partypoker have questions to answer and should rightly do so, it seems you are not only impersonating someone (an ex brs member) but are still continuing to throw out false accusations regarding brs, just admit the truth that you are a very sour ex member who can not be himself and has to hide behind a username on this thread, if everything was in fact true that you are stating then you would have absolutely no issue revealing your true identity.

this thread needs to stick to the original points of lipo_fund getting answers regarding ppl$ instead of personal attacks under false profiles

we can wait for a statement from bitb/pads to deny this which he certainly won’t because it would be a complete lie

I can't see Rob or BRS replying to this thread for multiple reasons but the biggest reason is the fact that if the UKGC really are taking a look at everything its pretty standard practice to not comment on anything that could have legal ramifications or affect any ongoing investigations.

Was basing it off all the mtt regs I knew who were brs only having a username listing on pocket fives for party poker.

Prob should not have used exclusively and mainly instead. Since ofc they could play on all sites but only list their names for party.

How can saying "the accusations are false" be used against you if everything is above board?

says the guy with 8 posts making personal attacks.

Only in NVG do you get this level of hypocrisy.

Threads a dumpster fire.

Hope someone gets to the bottom of this but, have given up hope of finding it by reading this thread.

I am sure you didnt use the word "exclusively" by accident

same as you didnt accidently word the phrase "Since ofc they could play on all sites but only list their names on party"

I mean because the thread gets dozens of pages of a lot of nonsense (I'm sure there is some true stuff) people come in and say I haven't replied/don't reply/hide etc. Its just not true.

When it went on twitter I think I replied within 10 minutes, I came to the thread and replied, captain Kelvis replied within 1 minute and his ridiculous army just instantly troll here, blog everywhere else, I gave a really really long message addressing everything, he said clear off, not welcome and I happily depart, the same army continue and then new army say well if Pads doesn't reply must be guilty.



I'm not going to just keep coming on and on saying the same thing over and over again. Its pointless and I think when a thread gets like that mods should probably step in and end it/delete trolls.

I'm not sure how I'm supposed to even address this kind of thing.

"pads doesnt fund bitb, he is just face for them so they can get good deals from party" what do you really want me to reply to this?

Either

a) I don't reply and people think you're guilty
b) You reply saying no and they say thats what a guilty guy would say
c) You're guilty and say you do

Theres no real way to win as the respondee.


I'm happy for any of you to come and speak face to face and ask questions, or tell me what you "know" about me and what I think about everything. The first thing I said at party was that when I'm an ambassador for the site, I'll speak when I want to speak and not stay quiet on twitter to somebody if I think they've scummed or in situations like this, because I don't like to hide anything.

There's so many mistruths and misinterpretations about BRS its ridiculous. A lot of it in the threads are so obvious, new poster account posts, less than 1 minute later a older account leader the witch hunt instantly replies, either they truly do only care about this in their lives or they are using both of the accounts. What is the point of replying to 10 people with 1-5 posts and then for them to be satisfied for a full new army of 1-5 post people saying the same things, the thread is just running like that.

I think one of the last posts I read was the only screenshot I've seen, it was facebook and in some random font talking about satellites and it was from 2016?? This looks bad because I should know more, but not only do my players not play there, I don't even know if it was around in 2016? I thought this (PPL Leaderboard) all started in January this year

I would actually love to do a talk at a live event on stables, misconceptions, listen to other peoples views, have a nice debate, show infrastructures how it works etc. I think people would actually be interested and would understand why stables have ADDED millions and millions of dollars to the ecosystem not TAKEN.



If some guy is playing $5.50 satalites getting the whole tree started playing every day and helping all the games run. 1) He probably isn't a world class player, 2) He is not effecting anybody at all, he isn't playing against/vs the high stakes guys, and he's helping the smaller things run. If he changes his $49.50 winnings into a $33 and $11 mtt ticket I'm not sure who it negatively effects anyway.

I think honestly how I see BRS is its a bunch of guys you would see very often in casinos, who have started playing volume online. They generally play 1-2 stakes higher than they perhaps would do playing for themselves or where their current volume is. A $33 really solid mtt player can be a biggish loser at a $109 MTT for example. Apparently they have had 2000 players it keeps getting said here? So there is 2000 players basically playing a little bit higher than they should be, helping games run at all levels, playing every single day, going and supporting live events and grinding a lot online. A lot of comments about this:

1- If RIO, Stars or anybody else could get an affiliate with 2000 players starting every game on the site and playing in games they weren't profitable in they would instantly be the best affiliate in the world and it wouldn't be close at all.

2- If you ever have a turnover of 2000 players there is always going to be rotten apples. I have had people steal from me and we have way way way less players. Having 2000 people sure one or two may collude together, thats just how life is, all of the people I've met from BRS have been very, very nice. I actually really liked watching Moz twitch stream, he was often playing high stakes and vs me and others and he would be "trying to save up enough PPL to fire x/y/z" I liked it, young, hungry English normal lad who grinded really hard. It's unfair to group them all bad apples, just like its unrealistic to assume they are all as nice as he is.

3- Stars give free packages out to different things, but not to me or friends in bitB. Am I offended or think that its unfair somebody else gets something I don't? No. I have guys who play 1200 games a month and guys who play 200 games a month, if Stars or party or anybody think my guy with 1200 games is an amazing player from the site and want to give him a bonus of a $30k package, or if they want to give him an extra 15% rakeback for 2 years thats fine, thats not because hes in bitB, its because of who he is and what he brings to the site.

4- If a site gives a bunch of players free hotels in bahamas or Prague or somewhere but my guys have to pay the $300/night then suddenly those groups of players can have way more profitable trips, is that unfair on my guys? Should the site even tell my guys that they are giving hotels to the other guys. If hotels is fair, is 10% extra rakeback/week over 2 months equalling the price of the hotel fair? If not why?

Like I said all along, I wish I just made affiliate deals with every site, I bring them 300 players every day, I'll gamble with them and put them in bigger games, if you don't give me the extra 25% rakeback for each guy I take them away from your site and give them to somebody else. I would be rich enough to fund bitB if I had done that!! I have no deal with party, no deal with stars, no deal with 888, no deal with acr, no deal with anybody, we have raked 10m+ probably, it would have been the clever thing to do, but we didn't do it. We favour certain sites over other sites, we gamble harder on certain sites rather than others, if a site has overlay we are more likely to fire it hard. There is nobody from any site telling us there is overlay and to put people in to x/y/z, sending $109 tickets etc.

https://gyazo.com/e754cb1df8e9a80c5bc8ba2f838502f5

Not sure if link works, but its a channel we have called monitor overlays, its the players themselves who look out for them and tell eachother, you can see its not only party. If 888 had huge overlay there and 60 of our guys jumped in last second it wouldn't look dodgy, but because its party it would look like it, I understand, but obviously theres no way for me to prove. So not sure what else I can do than come back in this thread every 100 posts and say "nah, this is what I think about the situation" I'm working on being open minded, but in this case I think I very sure how I feel about it and how sad I am about not being the richest poker affiliate of 2018!

That might be true but the only reason there are misinterpretations is that we don't have any info to go on other than what has been posted. Party denied there was any relationship when it was brought up in mttc earlier this year. This thread has been here for a month and both BRS and Party seems to have zero interest in clearing up these misconceptions. If you know what the misconceptions are and how things actually work at BRS and their relationship with Party works it would be a big help if you could explain it to us. No one else at Party is willing to and have even deflected by taking cheap shots at the other sites.

I think it's fair to say that a thing can't be right if the players are below average and not okay if they are above average. It's either okay or it's not because otherwise it would require someone to constantly check the skill levels of all the players in question. This whole thing just seems to imply to me that they are not that great players so basically we have nothing to worry about.

I don't think it's semantics to say what is being brought up here is not the same as affiliates. My understanding is an affiliate is someone who refers someone and gets x% of the rake generated going forward. In that scenario the site doesn't really have a stake in how any individual game goes and does not get any of the winnings. What people are asking Party Poker about here is not the affiliate part but that it seems that the site stakes people and get percentages of their winnings in a very organised manner. They are not just affiliates and they are not prop players, they are staked players by Party.

Again what we have seen both in screenshots here and some horses say in this thread is not that they themselves have cheated but that they have been asked to soft play and collude by the people managing them. In the example you gave it would be the same as if you had asked your horses to collude together, not if a couple of them had done it independently.

Marty's thing is a bit separated from the other concerns but it's my understanding that Party have directly broken the T&C of the promotion so if that's the case I don't think it's comparable to the free hotels. Also PPL is not owned by Party Poker like anyone would reasonably assume and we don't even know if their money is protected like regular money in an account is. They were asked about it over a week ago and we haven't heard back https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=2724

Contrary to the narrative that Party seems to run with a lot of us really like the site. I play there almost every day and would love to see them be a real competitor to Stars. What I think most people want more than huge fields though is transparency and fair games and every day of silence that goes by makes me more hesitant to give them business. I think if you focused a little less on the few nasty personal attacks some trolls seem to give you and more on the genuine questions and concerns that all Party customers here have raised maybe the players could get some resolution on what exactly is going on behind the scenes.

"I think people would actually be interested and would understand why stables have ADDED millions and millions of dollars to the ecosystem not TAKEN."
If this is true then most of the players/staking persons/coaches are working just for honor, and for sure not for money...

The money that stables are added are WAY less then the taken money from the ecosystem. And there is cheating. And if it is true - the horse can play staked on Party, broke some rules and the staker can confiscate his whole roll from Party.

Speaking of online satellites I think it's important to note this update Party Poker made yesterday:

So now guarantees are conditional? WTF? Don't call it a guarantee then...

Very unfair but deliberate miss interpretation of the truth as standard in this thread by "the gang"

there is a screen shot of one single screenshot from over two years ago between one player that was sacked and her manager, who was also sacked, in a position where a fold was the right play tho he did took about unwritten rule to the player.

other than that all others that had experience have said they didnt and were never asked to collude or cheat in any way

yet the one that suits the agenda is truthful and all the others no doubt like me are paid shills or whatever other bull**** insult the gang decides to throw at anyone that isnt following their line so as to undermine the posters integrity or motive when the post doesnt suit the ongoing agenda of the crowd

The irony that PP has now basically reduced their ticket guarantees "to ensure more satellites run" (to save their wallets with the overlays)

And your post seems like a targeted deflection.

The fact is that nobody actually knows whats going on, but, we think it's something shady... lol

I can't give you hard evidence, but i'm fairly certain that many players over the past three years have been given tournament buy ins to make up overlays of tournaments, many BRS, many not, and mostly live @ DTD.

10/10 for this post.

BRS players are NOT allowed to play Pokerstars.

That is a false allegation. What a shocker! This thread is full of them


Please see below a stream of former BRS player playing on said poker site that you claim BRS players were not allowed to play on

https://www.twitch.tv/morris2790/videos

Pads, awkward post. Very scatter brained and you didn't really address anything very well. Not a good sign imo. A categorical denial is always what an innocent person says, you made up an excuse why you couldn't categorically deny the allegations, are you for real? Seems like you are making some things up to me. Just using deductive reasoning here.

I take offence to your statement that stables help poker. Really? Your players play more because they are staked, since they have a bigger bankroll. They pay more rake. They win more money. All that money is removed from poker, sites pocket it and players pocket it. Guess what, the money they win makes poker worse, cause the people they are winning it from would not have had to play against your horses had they not been staked. If you are joe poker, always own diming it, you only want to play the same type of opponent as yourself. Not some backed grinder that shoves carelessly cause the next tournament is a click away and the stable seems to have "unlimited" money compared to joe poker who has 200 or 2000 in his online roll. I've been staked, been in poker over 10 years, I know what I am talking about.

Players, there is a way out of this. Use all your ppl dollars immediately. This will fill the live tournaments with real players who are buying in legit, requiring less horses getting bought in with, for lack of a better word, fraudulent money. Then never play the tourneys again once your ppl money is used up. Use the ppl money before they cancel the whole thing. It's clear that party and at least 1 stable are guilty of fraud and will be fined money. After they are fined many millions will they still have your $?