I saw this happen at the Bike actually. To their credit, they paid the player what they would've been owed. Granted it was for about $800 not $10k, but was still impressed. I don't think this incident should really reflect poorly on The Bike (not that you've said this, but others have).

It's great that they handled that situation correctly. Unfortunately it doesn't forgive the incompetent manner that they handled the two situations in this thread and they deserve all the heat they are receiving.

How is the Harry situation an angle? Does not matter the hands, running it however many times never changes the expected value so what is the problem? Just poor etiquette

I think they actually paid Chris some $ from the Harry thing, not sure though. Either way, almost no casinos do this -- props to them for realizing sometimes you gatta take a hit and not put all the responsibility on the player for bad situations.

Some people believe he saw the turn card before saying he wanted to only go once. I think that's very unlikely but whatever

A bit hard to reopen this debate with LATB/Feldman scrubbing the web of the video. Not going to change anyone's opinion in either direction anyway.

The 85%-15% pole does speak to the consensus.

What do you think the gaming commission would think about this idea that it's a TV show rather than a real poker game?

I don't know! If you know , or have an opinion, then just say what you know or what you think. It was a simple question, not meant to be a debate topic by me. Thanks

You don't know what you think?

He mentioned the gaming commission, that was meant to give you an idea of what he thinks (that the fact that it's a regulated poker game being held in a casino would indicate that it's first and foremost a regulated poker game being held in a casino.)

I'm not saying this to be a dick, but I was annoyed at Feldman's beta-like stance. He should have been more dominate when Mike was bullsh*ting him.

I've seen this happen live in similar situations and feel that other players should pipe up and support the guy getting screwed if he's too meek or political or whatever to do it on his own. So props to Garrett for stepping up for the correct ruling. Mike was being a bully and then backed down when he realized the logic behind his own claim was completely outrageous.

Props to Garrett in helping with a difficult situation. Ryan put in a tough situation considering he actually produces the show yet is playing, so he's really caught in the middle. Garrett reinforces proper decision and acts as a voice of reason.

No need to explain/defend or whatever from either Ryan or Garrett, it was pretty well handled considering the circumstances.

Some casinos though essentially run "home games" under their roof. There was some controversy awhile back about some players not being able to get a seat into a high-limit game in Aria I believe, because they weren't invited or on the list by JRB, or whoever else was running the game. The casino basically said it's a private game, even though it was run and played in the casino's poker room. I don't remember what the outcome of that situation was, or if the NGC ever got involved.

Thanks for your opinion. I still don't know how much , if any , of the presentation is just for show. I never really will know either. AND I don't really care if it is. It's just a online poker show to me. I take from your post that you think it is totally unlikely that any extra showmanship is involved. Again I don't know , you may be totally correct, but either way I don't care enough to debate it any further with anyone on 2+2. Why would anybody care enought?

You'd have to ask yourself that question, pretty sure you're the one who asked. Anyway yes, some things can never be known, the mysteries of life, and all that jazz.

People watch this online poker show and imitate behavior that they see. Tanking on TV has led to a lot of people tanking in live games. Angle shooting behavior on LatB should be actively discouraged so that viewers are less likely to copy it when they play poker.

But then there wouldn't be 18 page threads on NVG!!!!!

Situations like this speak to two things: 1) casinos should not allow players to play out of racks and 2) players should demand that opposing chips be pulled in.

Playing out of a rack makes it much easier for a player not to honor a bet. That being stated, one can mitigate that risk by calling for the dealer to pull in the bet. This is why I previously mentioned the commingling of chips as a vital distinction. There is nothing the floor or another authority can do if a player who has not honored his bet leaves with the chips that were undeniably his at the start of the hand. If the chips are interspersed among another player's chips, however, there is justifiable cause to stop the player from exiting the casino with those chips due to the possibility of leaving with chips that are not his, which, of course, constitutes theft.

+1

He was playing out of the rack bc he was about to leave.

The floor supervisor should be reprimanded or at least written up because even as Armenian Mike picked up his rack and turned for the door, the supervisor wasn't even looking at him. He was paying like zero attention to him the whole time.
Any partially competent floor person would have at least warned him that if he leaves without paying the bet, he won't be allowed back in. He should have told Armenian Mike as soon as he found out what happened that the chips are Ryan's and immediately gave him those two options after the player refused to pay.

We play with thousands of dollars in front of us and we should expect when we play at a reputable poker room like The Bike, we should have confidence that in the event our hand needs a ruling they will get it correct and solve the issue at hand.

Fantastic, but could use a gigantic ridiculous necklace