Seems like a relevant topic since the main event winner stole money. Sure this is quite common in the poker community because most poker players are complete scumbags, but still noteworthy nonetheless.

Don't think so. One plays high stakes cash games overseas. The other plays MTTs in the US.

Player mentioned in OP is far from broke. I actually don't think the term tournament pro is correct even though his tournament earnings are similiar to OP's.

Limon's banning was well deserved. Black Gary has a lot of friends in high places and when you cross Gary you're gonna get smoked.

Yep, Andy is a very nice guy. I don't think he would just give away $2500 but I could definitely see him loaning it.

Loan 2.5k to a random person?

I know a lot of nice people, but none of them would loan random people in a casino money.

Maybe you should read the Michael Borovetz story. Plenty of people in the poker loan money to people they don't know. Look at the Trooper. Dude has been losing at poker for 10 years, has gone broke on multiple occasions, and still a well respected member of the twoplustwo community staked him for $5k to play poker. Shockingly, that $5k went poof.

loaning 2500 to a baccarat pro lol.

Why are you ignoring the $500 for free part that he bolded for you? I'm starting to suspect that you aren't a real doctor and are in fact a troll...

Firstly, because it is completely irrelevant to what he was initially saying.

Secondly, not only is it irrelevant to what he was saying, he conveniently "forgot" to bold the part that IS relevant to what he was saying so I'm ignoring his attempted irrelevant deviation.

Thirdly, I used to work surveillance in a casino back in the day and people giving money away to strangers after a big win was surprisingly common so I don't find the $500 gift all that unbelievable.

Fourthly, just because some of you don't have the bankroll to believe someone can give away that kind of money, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. $500 to him is like $5 to us normal folk. I don't know about you, but I regularly give $5 to homeless people or beggars without concern that it will bankrupt me. It's all relative.

Fifthly, I couldn't possibly care less about what you or anybody else thinks of me or my life.

Apparently it's not like giving $5 to a bum because he's now demanding repayment. When you give money to a bum, do you demand repayment later?

It clearly wasn't purely charitable, some aspect of this transaction (if the OP is accurate) is just a really stupid investment (aka a "******ism tax").

I don't think he's serious in "demanding" repayment. I think he's trying to point out what happened to him because Nguyen is now one of the most famous players of the year and relevant to poker. It's more about making people aware that, if true, Nguyen is a thief. The money is irrelevant. It's the principle.

And to be clear, I'm not saying his gift or stake was a bright idea. Indeed, I agree that it was foolish. However, I'm just pointing out that getting rolled happens all the time when staking and it's fairly common to stake people you don't know. Whether it's wise or not is a different matter.

But if this is true, I don't think Nguyen should be given a free pass and should have to explain his actions and pay back the money on principle alone.

That's my only point, that this is an instance of paying the ******ism tax. Failing to mention that there was some "staking" involved doesn't make it any less the case, so calling the other poster stupid seemed inappropriate.

You seem to be missing the point. He doesn't care about the money and Andy's poor judgement in this instance is not the news story. The news story is that the main event champ scammed someone out of $2k+ a few years back.

The other poster mentioned staking and "thousands of dollars." He then proceeded to make a feeble attempt at insulting my reading comprehension by trying to change his argument and bolding irrelevant information. I don't take kindly to unnecessary and inappropriate insults especially when they are unfounded and distorted.

I'm very into self-deprecating humor and will point out when I misread something or don't understand. But you're trying to defend the instigator in this and I'm not sure why.

Oh I see, because Kessler posts a one-sided story from someone's Facebook page, you assume it must be gospel fact.

Well I know you are a troll but you seem serious here. Yes, if the story is true then he's a scammer.

I only responded to defend a poster who was called an idiot despite not saying anything idiotic.

The strangest part of the story is why wouldn't he just tell the backer that he busted first level?

Your reading comprehension is poor:

I think it would have been smarter for Andy to have kept this idiotic episode private and forget about it rather than publicity expose what an utter moron is he to give $2500 to a random person in a casino and expect it back. Amazes me how stupid some people are. Props to Qui Nguyen for telling him to get fkd. Now I'm an even bigger fan.

It's common for people who don't even know each other to give money and back each other?

Obviously a well-timed bluff

There were plenty of staking sites before Black Friday where this happened all the time, so yes.

I think you are a fool for giving him a dime.

Obviously he was right when he saw something great in this qui gambler guy. I think it just means he has a knack for identifying talent.




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So the above was the first clue that this story is probably bullsh*t.


And then:
And this confirms it.

We all listened to Qui speak at the WSOP, right?

ESPN had to put English subtitles on his interview segments because even though he was speaking English it might as well have been Vietnamese it was so unintelligible (I'm not criticizing him for this, just stating fact).

And when Qui was speaking to Vayo during their several all-ins, you could tell Vayo, and ESPN viewers, had no clue what Qui was saying, Vayo was just being polite and nodding his head saying "yeah" while smiling.

And then the short winners interview with Kara Scott and again, hardly evidence of fluent English proficiency, perhaps not understanding what Kara was saying as she had to practically physically lift his arms to hold up the bracelet after asking him to do it 3 times. Again I'm not trying to be critical of Qui for this, just making my next point:

BUT apparently this Andy dude is calling Qui on a cell phone, and having detailed verbose conversations with him, where Qui is rattling off English sentences mixed with English profanity no less!! LOL, this is just laughable, and to me further points to a total another agenda or axe to grind from this Andy character.

As Antonio would say, the story just does not add up.

F**K you is easily identifiable no matter how thick the accent.

Giving a down on his luck acquaintance a small sum when you win a big one is not unusual.

Keep up your Jr. Sherlock Holmes act.

Okay, and you keep publicly declaring yourself completely gullible to accept at face value an obviously one-sided account of whatever shred of truth is the actual story.

Pot, meet kettle.